The IDW has important distinctions from the alt-right. The IDW embraces individualism, the alt-right embraces white identity politics. The IDW is characterized by thoughtful discussion, the alt-right is characterized by irreverence simply for the sake of provoking reactions.
But there are a few similarities... both are proponents of free speech (but with different purposes in mind), both are opposed to intersectional identity politics and far left ideologies (but for completely different reasons), and both have taken advantage of online technologies to challenge the left's cultural taboos.
I'm not into banning anyone from speaking- I would never call for deplatforming or suspending accounts. But can we all create a cultural awareness of the important differences? Can we all resist propagating dumb things just because it "owns the libs?" (BTW, there are no SJWs on this site anyway, so there's no point.)
I just hope this group can have high standards of conduct and not get sucked into alt-right stupidity.
Does the Alt-Right even exist, outside the imaginations or tactic classes of the Left? When I go looking for them and get directed to people like Jordan Peterson?!? So maybe it is just a phantom.
But if a Neo Nazi or White Supremacist or KKK group or organisation called the Alt-Right does exist, surely it has much more in common with the Extreme Left that has academia by the balls than it has with free speech advocates.
White Supremacy is just another identity group of people who want to be identified as members of their group first and as individuals second. Both sides see the world as a battleground of groups after power. What I hope the IDW Community will offer is a different approach, based on individualism and the presumption that it's our ideas that count, not the group we identify with.
If by alt right, you mean white supremacists, then you mean far leftist. All group identity politics is leftist politics. Individual politics are rightist. Just because the Democrats have decided to make white Christians the main enemy, does not mean the Republicans some how adopted white supremacists by default. Nazi's were national socialists. Republicans and conservatives believe in Nationalism but as an individual patriot. When the right goes too far right it's no government or anarchy. When the left goes too far it's socialism, communism and fascism. A true right-winged conservative sees an individual, not the group they want to identify with. White supremacists and Nazis have nothing to do with the conservative right and everything to do with the far left. The KKK was created by Democrats and has always been Democrats. Republicans were created to fight against slavery. I'm tired of the Democrats trying to change history and call us the racists when it has never been true.
I'm almost certain there are also undercover "antifa " for lack of a better word on here too.
It seems like the only ability we have as decent humans is to give them all a platform to spout their nonsense. Then berate them with facts instead of insults, so that they can't hide behind the"you are all oppressors" crutch people with bad ideas lean on
I'm pretty new here and older lol. I don't know what SJW stands for but I doubt it's senior just wandering. I enjoy seeing all sides of an issue, I learned to do that many years ago in debate preparations. The reason I thought I would give IDW a try, is because of the insults thrown around so freely on FB. I think people are much more civil when face to face then they are on the internet, but I find it sad that we can't we use this tool for an even greater range of understanding. I would consider myself conservative Christian, but I get called everything but. So, I hope I can be a part of this community and learn in a thoughtful atmosphere.
To be fair (and I have NOT read all of the comments yet), how do you suggest to limit honest discourse if someone of the alt-right is not allowed to present their thoughts? I mean, I, as a 1st gen Mexican, hate the idea of white supremacy, but how would you propose to isolate, stop and limit the free speech of said individual? Let the m post their ideas/thoughts and let reason rise up and conduct intellectual conversations! If they get aggressive or violent (in words?) then maybe an issue can be addressed, but as a group, let people think for themselves and reason for themselves.
By the way, extremist, elitist, socialist, communist, white supremacist, et al, views views are fairly easy to spot, expose and defeat with intelligence, so don't be afraid of them!
This is the internet, so there will always be a few. Eventually, I'd even expect a few trolls. Ultimately, it's up to the rest of us to hold a higher standard. As is often said, "don't feed the trolls." They eventually get bored and go harass someone else.
Alt-right by definition means left or wrong. Alternative not of the mainstream. The only reason for the words alt-right is because it sound provocative and cool. They took a swastika and turned it in to a hate symbol. It means well or good. The term alt-right makes as much sense as anti-fascist. They are not anti fascist they are fascist. If we are going to have any ground to stand on we need to unify behind the idea that right is right and alt is fascist.
Just my own view - but the whole Alt-Right and Alt-Left thing is misleading in today's context. Most of the real issues do not divide neatly along left/right lines. The real issues tend to be more Globalist vs Nationalist or Elitist vs Populist. Good example of this are Brexit - where neither Labour nor Tories have a unified position on this. Also the Yellow Vest protest in France - it is neither left nor right but rather the disenfranchised lower and middle class vs the Paris based elitists and globalists.
More often that not, the use of the term "alt-right" is used as an attempt to discredit a populist movement rather than addressing the actual problems. Same for alt-left.
As much as I agree with this I also disagree with parts of it. When are we gonna stop labeling people? I know alot of folks who have been labeled one thing or another from one party or another and none of them actually fit in there. Like liberals or alt right. The umbrella statements have to stop. Lumping people who may fall in the center of a party or a different party in general doesnt help anything. Identity politics are the lowest form of politics on the planet.
I think the word intellectual is a barrier. I can say anything. But if it has no substance or audience, my need for constant validation isn't sufficed. This is an environment of air breathers. I don't think libs can breath air long. I think it makes them melt or something. If you want them stop talking just ask for a valid point... crickets
The alt-right is still not a well-defined group. The part that plays identity politics could be a problem. But I think there is a small portion (of the already small subset of alt-righters who are more or less just ironically making memes) that has a very useful function in that they can make "offensive" words, phrases and images into comedy. And this "redemption" of such words and images takes power away from those on the alt-right (and elsewhere) who want to use those phrases to spread fear and hatred. I believe that even though there are probably not many SJW types on this site, we still need our boundaries of what we think is acceptable to be pushed, so that more topics will become less taboo. We may not explicitly exclude topics from our conversations on this site, but everyone is sensitive to some topics and we could use an engine of boundary pushing even for us. That is why the "silly" section on this site is so crucial, in my opinion.
I think one of the easiest distinctions make is the purpose behind the support of Speech.
The IDW community wants speech so all ideas are heard and put intellectual consternation where bad ideas are challenged and overcome by good ideas.
The alt-right supports speech so THEIR ideas are allowed be heard.
The alt-right has personal and selfish reasons support speech, the IDW community supports it due the value of all individuals.
I think the point scoring system that the page uses will help prevent it to be honest. I can only hope that they get bored and move elsewhere when they see how civilised the platform is. It did cross my mind though, I really hope that doesn't happen because I've only been here a week and it's just what I've been looking for, you all rock so far and I'm loving the topics and conversations at hand.
Honestly the best way to diffuse a situation like that is to let them know that arguing over opinion or politics is absolutely futile and a waste of everyone's time. I tend to make friends or enemies by the lack of response to provocation by both sides. If someone has an original perspective or idea on a subject I haven't heard before, that will spark my interest. If I hear the same idea or opinion by 1,000 different people, I will let them know that idea bores me. I would expect the same from others to let me know I'm basically echoing the same mantra.
The “alt-right” is an invention of the left. There are only Right and Wrong. Tagging the differences that make up different mindsets is only causing more opportunities to make comparison like you just did.
Free speech is an absolute necessity regardless of the reason. Focus on the words to know who is right and who is wrong. Pairing us up is if they are part of us... is the danger you speak of.
In your first sentence you dive right into identity politics. If you want to encourage individualism why are you trying to outline the definitions of groups? What if I want to talk about "white genocide" does that make me alt-right? Ive never called myself that, nor do I identify as one
I typically do not believe in disallowing any speech that doesn't encourage or insight violence. However there are limits and sadly there are racist white first idiots amongst us, just like there are Alt Left Psychos. And I don't want to be within a thousand miles of either type. They should ALL be booted from any platform. I am sick of Alteveryone. I don't even want to see them never mind debating these losers and honestly if they start flocking here thinking it's a great place to be a white first racist and are not booted as soon as they spout their white loving BS. I will be removing myself. We should all judge people on their actions, abilities and personalities, not their skin color.