Marxism vs Fascism... discuss
Which one currently poses a greater threat?
Since they're both authoritarian, how do you distinguish between the two?
Are they morally equivalent, or is one more reprehensible than the other?
Which one currently poses a greater threat?
Why, in 2019, are we so much more comfortable with Marxism than we are with Fascism?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.This fun question is really asking "which of the isms is least evil". We can throw socialism, feminism, racism, and even capitalism (as defined by today's cognoscenti) into the discussion. All are ideological systems that intend to rule the lives of the masses.
The answer is not dependent on the Black Book of Communism statistics. The answer is how we can live our lives in the best possible way.
Show me the system that has the most freedom to live as an individual, free to choose every aspect of his life without regulation or censor and you will find the least evil ruling system. Any system that aims for the citizen to serve the government will fail the people. All the "ism" ideologies are top down rule that must coerce some part of the population to think in their way.
A free people will insist that even the smallest minority has the inalienable right to life, liberty and property.
The only question is "how to make THAT work. Good luck on that discussion.
Boilingthefrog
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Mar 5, 2019
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I think the best way to achieve that is to do something similar to what America's founders did... they realized humans suck, including themselves, especially when they are given power. So they created a system that divides and limits power as much as possible while still maintaining some sort of functioning society.
That initial structure of checks and balances and division of power helps... but even then, it's a constant battle to keep the monster from growing larger and larger. The naturally proclivity of government will always be to expand its own power. And the natural proclivity of a lazy people always seem to be to give away their freedom for comfort.
Marxism usually pertains to an international movement of workers rising up against the man where fascism is a national movement that incorporates some sense of national identity. Both involve state control over the markets and businesses and minimizes the individual. History shows that Marxism continues to spread where fascism dies with the failure of the country. I'd compare the 2 to malignant and benign cancer respectively.
Marxism seems less evil because we don't see it. We see the concentration camps from Hitler. I've met gentlemen with bar-codes tattooed on their arm. We are kept almost completely ignorant of the Marxist failures in Venezuela, North Korea, Eastern Europe and the USSR. Remember all those videos in school showing Mao killing his own people? Yeah I don't either. Venezuela just happened. Did you see all those videos of poor starving people? Nope.
RobBlair
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Mar 5, 2019
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- Stalin's mass graves
Literally, the only thing I learned from my high school teachers about Communism was how "paranoid" the U.S. was during the Cold War.
Sure, McCarthy went way overboard... but to focus on that and ignore the rest, as if America was some terrible human rights violator, and the Russians and Cubans weren't all that bad... it's the height of intellectual dishonesty.
@jnaatjes Turns out even McCarthy was right. [washingtonpost.com] - linked WP because they are disinterested
This is a very good question. Maybe Marxism because it seems to have more traction within our educational institutions? I think I can get behind Jordan Peterson's opinion that Marxism currently is the greater threat.
But like you said, both are authoritarian and they both end in the same hellish place at the end of the day.
BossPig
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Mar 5, 2019
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Agreed. I think Marxism is more popular, and thus more dangerous, because its messaging is a lot more palatable to westerners... claiming you're there to help the downtrodden sounds a lot better than saying "We're superior and you people suck so we're going to kill you."
But the Marxist ends up saying the same thing, in the end.
Right. The package that Marxism is sold in is much much better looking on the surface. Everyone can spot a Nazi when they see one, but it's not as easy to identify a Communist.
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