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Once again Duke hits the nail on the head, those who claim to support Trump while also supporting Putin's regime simultaneously are putting the knife in Trump's back. A lengthy post here, but the Putin apologists should take note though...

From Duke: "Somehow, people are finding more fault with Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine than of Vladimir Putin of Russia, who in case you missed it, invaded Ukraine under a list of silly excuses that do NOT hold up to any scrutiny. Yes, even the bio-labs that the United States and a whole bunch of other countries have known about since the signing of the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 to get rid of nukes in Ukraine." As he pointed out, that conflict has been brewing for some time now, back in 2014 was when Putin really begun his crap.-
[brookings.edu]

Duke: "Now, if Trump really meant Make America Great Again, then he would be naturally opposed to countries like Russia and China trying to overtake America as the leader in the world, both economically and militarily. We know that this was Trumps’ goal, being he slapped China with tariffs for not trading equally with the U.S., and the ones he slapped Putin and Russia with, also, while he was in office. Trump was correct to point out that these countries have always fought for the best deal for their citizens, and why should we not do the same for ours. Seems pretty common sense to me." I strongly believe that had Trump still been President Putin would not have pulled off the stunt he did, and appeared to have been kept guessing as to the actions Trump would have taken against Russia if Putin would have carried out his invasion then.

Duke: "However, we now have this invasion of Ukraine by Russia, and we have people who are struggling with reality failing to see this is not good — not only for the United States but the world. Some of these folks even think Putin is justified for this, and it is one of the most confusing points of view ever in the history of people who thieve oxygen." Struggling with reality indeed, then again what would one expect from Russian Government propaganda sources and shills like SouthFront Sputnik and RT, to name a few, who have been consistently lying and exaggerating claims.

Duke: "I do NOT want American soldiers in Ukraine fighting Russians or anyone." That one I agree with wholeheartedly, at this point the US has no business sending the boots on the ground in Ukraine. With each passing day Putin is getting more and more impatient, so I say let him crack and make the first move in doing something stupid.

" I have zero issues with aid going to the Ukrainians, which this was something Trump supported and still supports. For those not happy with foreign aid, I understand that, but we do give it." I agree with this partly, fine to give some aid but the US Government should be disciplined in how much we spend giving said aid, afterall our citizens could sure use some spending on themselves. Not to mention there has been alot of privately funded aid too.

"We are not going to escalate by giving such aid. Russia or the Soviets never had a problem arming people we were facing off against." Quite true, Russia is surely guilty of that, and turnabout is fair play.

This is a good one... "Saying you don’t trust the media does not make you savvy. You should QUESTION everything. Including that Russian propaganda you might be passing around as reasoned thought." Those who have been trusting these alternative media sources really should question more what it is they think is reality, and personally I trust such sources as much as I trust the likes of CNN or MSN (do not trust at all). There are a few good open source journalists reporting on the scene in Ukraine, they are probably a better bet as the media they share can be readily scrutinized by the general public, and they do not work for any mainstream media source.

"Ukraine has corruption problems, and Zelenskyy is not an angel. Neither are you, so what in the hell is your point? This does not excuse the 200,000 Russian troops invading right now." Another solid point, and don't think for one moment that Putin's regime is innocent, they are far removed from such, and Zelensky certainly has not personally come close to the evils Putin has carried out on his own people (from censorship, to blackmail, to murder etc). Neither side are angels there, but one side has been more aggressive and violent prone than the other (looking at you Putin).

"Also this is not about Nazis in the Dunbar region, or in the country at all. If it were, Russia would have made a case with a special Security Council Meeting at the U.N. leading up to the invasion. Go find that, but I will give you a hint: it does not exist." Right again, and pays to keep in mind a majority of Ukrainians democratically elected a Jewish man to be their leader, and while Azov does remain a concern their numbers are about 900 compared to about 200,000 enlisted Ukrainian service men and women. On the flip side, it appears Russia has their own problems with neo-fascist groups- [informnapalm.org]

There are probably fascists in most world superpower countries, and if say a country like Ukraine has a problem with such then let them deal with their own problems, invading another country because you claim to have a grudge against certain groups of individuals is a blatant act of war. It certainly wouldn't be acceptable for Canada to invade the US on the grounds of wanting to rid the US of fascists/nazis.

"Trump made the decision during his presidency to tackle the way the world had dealt with us for decades and to change that dynamic. He made the assessment that Russia and China had taken advantage of us and moved to put us back on equal footing. Part of the actions he took was to send United State aid to Ukraine to help in case of a Russian invasion. As I wrote about last week, he even claimed to have made a threat to Putin if he did invade." That's because Trump meant business, America first, and Putin knew that.

"The reason he probably got along great with Putin was not that he was beholden to him like the media spewed in 2016. The real reason was that Putin was probably a li’l afraid of Trump, wondering if he would actually bomb Moscow if they invaded Ukraine. Seems Vlad took him seriously, being he did not invade until Biden took office.

People that say they want to put America first and support Donald Trump who also give verbal support to Putin in any shape or form for his immoral invasion are doing no favors for Trump, as he preps to run again in 2024. Stop being a tool using talking points of former KGB agents." The Putin apologists should take that advice seriously, stop shilling for dudes who were former KGB agents, as Putin's henchmen sure wouldn't give a damn about you. You need not have to hold Ukraine's hand, nor should you be making apologies for a homicidal tyrant.-
[redstate.com]

As a bonus, thought I'd present both sides of the story here and point out an asinine remark that Zelensky recently made. Actual facts should matter here and not propaganda or what one may wish to be true, and I did some research on this to make sure it was legit and it appears to be just that legit.- [redstate.com]

Nope, during World War 2 Ukraine was not very friendly or sympathetic towards the Jews as Zelensky tried to claim, and Ukraine back then was heavily occupied by Nazis. That's a fact, and Zelensky would do well to take the time to actually research that stuff first before shooting his mouth off making absurd claims.

SpikeTalon 10 Mar 22
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Globalist Brookings Institute. Mark Levin once exposed it.

It's not only them who claim that, just research some history on the matter, and you'll find most if not all independent researchers agree on that. As for Levin, do you really want to put that much trust in him? Looks like he's for the US taking strict actions against Putin, and if you want me to believe the narrative that you believe that anyone opposed to Putin is a globalist conspirator, then it looks like Levin is one of them then-[marypatriotnews.com]

Be careful who you trust, especially communist Russian propaganda sources who are quick to malign anyone as a globalist shill who merely challenge Russian rhetoric. Too much is at stake in all of this, they will not silence me.

@SpikeTalon every source you have given me is globalist. Krunoslav gave plenty of populist sources. Putin has not been proven guilty. Alternative narratives cast reasonable dount. The US government is guilty as charged.

@jasonc65 Every source that Krunoslav has shared with me was blatant Russian Government propaganda. The Intel Crab could hardly be considered globalist, which is where most of my Russia/Ukraine info has come from. Putin hasn't been proven guilty yet because the war is still going on, but when it's over and all the documented war crime incidents come out Putin will have hell to pay. Every alternative theory I've come across so far are either easy to debunk or are flat out propaganda meant to sway opinions. No, the US Government hasn't been found any more guilty at this point than Russia has, and Russia has to continue lying to people in order to justify their actions in Ukraine.

@SpikeTalon Tucker Carlson is Russian propaganda? Really? The Pentagon is globalist. And I have a third party source from India called the Republic. India could not trust Putin as far as they can throw it, yet here they are preferring Putin over Biden and China and calling it as they see it. They have no reason to shill for Putin. I feel the same way.

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You don't believe in the Hunter Biden laptop?

The entire purpose of this "war" is regime change in Russia and if they can eradicate any incriminating evidence in Ukraine, all the better. Who are "they"? "They" are the people whispering in Putin's ear and Zelensky's ear, at the same time. Putin sees the incursion of the internationalists on the social plane as a threat to Russian societal structure and dictator that he is will keep it that way and keep the progressives out. Of course, Ukraine must defend its borders. In the meantime, why is America's southern border wide open. Firstly, progressives don't like nationalism. What? They are fiercely supporting nationalism in Ukraine. Seem contradictory? They wouldn't be happy if Ukraine fell into Russian hands under Putin and how do we do away with Putin who is staunchly resisting the new world order. Perhaps a war would be good. It would make Putin look like the villain if he attacked Ukraine, which is a country in Europe and is next to a bigger country called Russia. Blah Blah Blah.

So the globalists, the WEF bunch, kill three birds with one stone. Putin is portrayed as a madman and even his people will turn against him if he survives this, at all. Ukraine joins the new world order if Putin doesn't win. And three, most importantly, all the evidence about the corruption and payback to American politicians gets buried in the rubble. Or if Putin wins - the ruble. Either way - the long march continues.

The Hunter Biden laptop scandal is another matter, and yes I do believe that as there is more than enough evidence to prove that scandal is real.

No, "they" I think for the most part are Putin and Zelensky themselves pandering to their followers. I don't buy into the incursion of internationalists imposing on Russia theory, all one has to do is study Putin's past in order to realize his agenda is about resurrecting the glory days of the Soviet Union and destroy any of those who seek to get in his way. It's all about making himself/his country stronger, and based on Putin's vision and longterm agenda I could make a case he's part of the globalist cabal. Each country has their own problems, and the US border problem is largely due in fact that we have poor leaders who certainly aren't doing their jobs. The heart of that issue is not directly progressives being in favor of or against certain things (nationalism for example), but the Russia/Ukraine conflict boils down to a lesser evil fighting against a much greater and demented evil. Putin isn't resisting anything, he is part of the NWO. What are you talking about, Putin already invaded Ukraine which in most cases would be considered an act of war, and in the meantime his war machine has been and continues to slaughter innocent civilians. Need I remind you that at the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine there were virtually no Democrats that came out in support of Ukraine, and only finally did so after the meat puppet Biden came out in support of (he was forced to at that point due to alot of Republicans taking jabs at him), so the progressives now who are in support of Ukraine are mostly doing so because their puppet master told them they should be doing so.

Putin is a maniacal tyrant, have you not studied his past? How on multiple occasions he had his own people imprisoned or murdered for speaking out against him, his regime's brainwashing and censorship campaigns, not to mention what his war machine is now doing in Ukraine. Yeah he is freaking crazy, and he also possesses a sizable arsenal of nuclear warheads, and you think the globalist cabal is the only problem, oh really now? If putin's people turn on him finally, it will be because they got sick and tired of his tyranny and making terrible choices for their country while they all suffer. Putin is no savior of the sorts. Based on research I've done on the topic, I've strong reason to believe the people pulling the strings behind the curtain are the same ones who are attempting to scaremonger other people into thinking this conflict is about the NWO versus an outsider, and I strongly don't think that's what we are dealing with here. What we are dealing with is a world nuclear superpower (Russia) under the command of a tyrannical homicidal maniac who is hellbent on restoring his country to the perceived glory days of the former Soviet Union, and he will stop at nothing to achieve his goals and wipe out anyone who tries to get in his way. The Biden laptop scandal among many other scandals, while certainly important and in need of being met with justice, are largely serving as distractions while maniacal forces are plotting their next violent move. I am not the only person (kinda seems like it on this site though) who realizes that by the way, many other conservatives and libertarians see where the real danger lies and think it ridiculous for us to waste our time on the fruitless argument that Russia is some sort of world savior fighting against a NWO. Russia is the real threat, and the sooner more people realize that will be the sooner we can move forward and confront this problem and find a solution for it. I am only trying to help, some of what I have to say may be hard for some to hear and take, but they need to hear it anyway, and as Duke suggested keep an open mind and question both sides. Neither Ukraine or Russia can be trusted, but one is still lying more than the other and is far more violent and depraved than the other. If and when Putin finally sends the nukes flying (I hope it doesn't come to that), in that moment you and many others are going to realize that the enemy you should be concerned about was not the globalist cabal this time but rather a crooked and criminal world superpower who was all too eager to use their weapons of mass destruction on a rather unsuspecting world in order to advance their own agenda. Of course, at that point it may be too late by then, which is what concerns me and why I say what I've been saying. It's ironic how so many on this site love their conspiracy theories, but when someone poses their own theory(s) that may go against the grain of "recognized legit theories" they lash out in anger and resentment and gaslighting. I refuse to stay silent on the matter and just go along to get along, too much is potentially at stake.

@SpikeTalon Well, that was well presented.
Let me ask you this, you say Putin wishes to restore the glory days of the old Soviet Union, so is Putin a communist socialist or a national socialist or just a non-ideological maniacal dictator?
I can't argue that Putin is not what you say. His atrocities are well documented. On that point I can agree. He has no compunction about dealing with his real or perceived enemies in a manner that most people would find abhorrent. And I understand your concern about how far he could possibly go. If he did employ his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction it would be truly an evil act. You have concluded and are convinced he is capable of doing this and he remains the greatest threat to world peace. Totally understandable, from a factual historical review of his leadership, how one could arrive at that conclusion. After all if we are fair we judge a person by his actions not his words and some of Putin's actions are questionable to say the least.

Without getting too psychologically philosophical, let's just say that anyone would kill a tiger that is at his door and threatens him or his loved ones. A madman sees tigers everywhere. Part of why socialism doesn't work but that's for another discussion.

Is Putin the one that is eroding western European democratic republics? It seems all of the nations built upon western hegemony are self-destructing. Does that seem fair to say? Putin isn't encouraging "wokeness" or imposing diversity, inclusion and equity in western society. He isn't asking western nations to open their borders. It isn't just a thing happening in the US. It is prevalent in all western nations to their apparent detriment. Is there a tiger at the door? Is it Putin?

I see a certain madness in western leaders these days. Unable to be truthful or transparent to their citizens. Now it seems they see tigers everywhere. Their own citizens are a threat to their existence. They must protect themselves. Jail those with opposing views. Bankrupt them. Seize their bank accounts. Cancel them. Invent crimes and indict them. Has Putin driven them mad?

You are entitled to your view. And Putin may be the threat you portray. There is a big tiger at his door and he may lash out. But, in my view, he is not the tiger threatening the current global order of things.
We have some reflecting to do on why we have arrived at this juncture.

@FrankZeleniuk How about just a delusional psychopath? Who wants to rule Russia with an iron fist.

I think all of the major developed countries in the world are gradually eroding, which mostly comes down to leadership issues. I suppose Putin isn't directly pushing wokeism on his fellow Russians... he's doing something far more insidious than that even. No citizen is allowed to openly question his authority or the motives of the Russian Government, not without facing serious consequences for doing so anyways. Wokeism is certainly no fun here in the US, but geez at least I'm not faced with lengthy prison sentences (or a possible death sentence) for merely criticizing my Government or the President. If given the choice between living in a free but rather woke society or a tyrannical semi-communist society, I'll go with the former because at least I'd still have most of my individual liberties intact, and could organize rally groups in an effort to resist the woke factions. It's no quality of life living under a cruel tyrant like Putin.

I get what you're trying to convey there, but Putin is in the same boat as the rest of the world leaders, they are all bad news in my opinion. Putin is no exception to the perceived madness, except I don't see guys like Biden and Trudeau violently invading other countries in an effort to absorb them into their own culture, nor are they making threats to use chemical or nuclear weapons if they don't get their way. Presently only one guy has made such threats directly, and that be Putin. Everything that you had mentioned from the seizing of bank accounts to imprisonment to inventing crimes in order to persecute those who don't agree with you, is pretty much everything that Putin has already done, and then some. Guys like Biden and Trudeau are too cowardly to have perceived opposition simply killed off, I can't say the same for Putin though on that, and that makes him far more dangerous.

Please keep in mind that in the beginning of the Ukraine invasion I was in the same boat as you and found myself agreeing more with Russia's side, but the evidence I have seen since from both sides all point to the Russian Government being the bigger liar and manipulator. The global order of things?? How about global peace and good relations among countries? Wouldn't you say that first in order to establish a smooth running of things that peace is an important factor? The west and Ukraine aren't the ones threatening that peace. I also contend that Putin himself fits in to the NWO of things, but that's a whole other topic perhaps for another post sometime. Reflecting indeed, especially when knowing both sides lie. With that said, can't help to see the irony in some of your statements above, in one paragraph you agree that Putin has and continues to do horrible things to others while in a later paragraph you attempted to somehow frame him as a victim in all of that, and it can't be both. My instincts keep telling me that someone (not quite sure yet who all exactly) stands to somehow profit in a way off of all of this globalist NWO scaremongering, and the people that are buying into all of said scaremongering are being played for fools. I could very well be wrong about that, and hope I am, the alternative (what I presently think will eventually happen) is too scary to imagine ever becoming reality, but I am preparing for the worst.

Lastly, thank you for explaining your points minus the gaslighting, unlike some others on here who had commented on related posts, that is appreciated.

@SpikeTalon Well, interesting discussion. In conclusion, I suppose the only thing that really matters is the populace remains in a state of terror - Just as long as it is never revealed factually who is sustaining the fear.
Take your pick of the many bogeymen presented. The message to the masses these days is, "Be afraid! Be very afraid!" As JP, the satirist says go along to get along, just wear a button that says, "I support the current thing".

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