For those of you who still think that Trump didn't recently suggest suspending/terminating the Constitution, I've got news for you... he did just that. Attached below is a screenshot of the full comment in question from Trump's Truth social network site, and I think Trump was crystal clear when he said "a massive fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." I consider anyone who even merely suggests suspending or terminating the Constitution (either parts or as a whole) to be a threat to our republic and thus an enemy. It's time to stop making excuses for Trump when he makes statements like that, and if we have any hope whatsoever in uniting the Republican Party the GOP politicians need to speak up as well and condemn any sort of threats against the Constitution. Anything less than that then I fear the GOP in the future will suffer more humiliating defeats similar to what happened last month. And don't tell me RedState isn't a credible source when it comes to right-leaning news, and common sense should dictate that if known right-leaning sources are saying the same thing then it's probably true. The evidence doesn't lie, and it's there for all to be a witness to.
On the bright side, Trump's recent outburst may play more to the favor of DeSantis in the long run, guess time will tell for sure...
The GOP simply ignoring Trump doesn't work when it comes to his insane 'suspend the Constitution' comments-
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.The problem with the Constitution is that it has no teeth and is routinely ignored by the leftists. Trump did not say to throw out the whole document. That's a disingenuous reading of that "truth" in the screenshot. Rather his obsession with the cheating in 2020 has led him to suggest suspending it until the unconstitutional issue is resolved. I disagree with him, but I took an oath. Instead we ought to have a convention of states to amend the document to put teeth in it when it is violated.
FuzzyMarineVet
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Dec 6, 2022
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It's akin to election lawsuits, in that prior to election nobody has standing; after election few courts are willing to consider what redress might look like.
Perhaps it could be called a "constitutional crisis". Sometimes a nation survives such a crisis and sometimes not. To survive, people will have to compromise and make deals. Democrats are not known for dealmaking.
@govols Those are the two biggest excuses the courts use in any lawsuit not brought by a major corporation to avoid their First Amendment duty to hear petitions from the people for redress of grievances.
@jaymaron, You put your finger on it right off the bat!
In Brazil, there is wide feeling among rurals that Lula cheated, and the military is taking the side of the rurals. Brazil is headed for civil war.
Musk showed that Twitter interfered in the Brazilian election. Much more will come out on this.
The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote.
Time to call a Continental Congress of Republican states and formally discuss the matter.
jaymaron
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Dec 6, 2022
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First let me say that the very structure and syntax of that statement does not sound like Donald J Trump. Trump is truly not that organized in his normal or usual speaking style. Someone wrote that for him.
Second I would like to point out that almost everyone who has advocated the removal of the Biden regime and "re-instating" Trump as the "real President" is in effect suggesting a suspension of the US Constitution.
Third see this from Thomas Jefferson:
The most famous and perhaps most eloquent expression of a people’s right to “dissolve the political bands” which tie them together was penned by Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) in the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.****
iThink
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Dec 6, 2022
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I don't care if someone wrote it for him, he still obviously agreed to have such a comment published. No, actually that does sound like something he would say.
I never advocated for the removal of Biden and re-instating Trump, so that wouldn't apply to someone like me.
I don't care what Jefferson said either, that's just deflecting from the topic of the OP, and in the end I still don't trust anyone who makes such a statement as Trump did, and you and everyone else who had supported him in the past should be very concerned about that. Ignoring such is part of the reason why we have the problems we are currently faced with, and I for one cannot simply ignore all of that.
@SpikeTalon I only ever supported Trump because the alternative was worse - have to face the fact that so called 3rd party and write in candidates are only good for skewing/splitting the vote and have no real possibility of getting elected.
I simply will not vote for anyone with that D - you know; D for socialist?
@jaymaron you make good points but I'm not so sure that "civil war" II has begun. We are a very very long way from actual hostilities (shoot'n and kill'n one another).
Face it - a lot of people are all brave and resolute from behind their computer keyboards but if and when the sht gets real - there will be a relative scarcity of folks willing and able to arm up and go to work.
It's a cold war. Democrats boycott Republican companies. Democrat states use their power to hurt Republican states. Biden uses federal power to hurt Republicans. Democrat politicians try to spend as much money as possible because it weakens Republicans.
Democrats are playing the Fabian strategy, to slowly bleed Republicans to death with a cold war, and to permanently cripple America.
Herschel Walker has the virtue that he moves the ball in the right direction, in the direction his team wants it to go. Democrats move the ball in the wrong direction.
Republicans will never vote Democrat and Democrats will never vote Republican. To a Democrat, it doesn't matter how scandalous the Democratic party gets. They feel that Republicans are unconditionally worse. They feel that Republicans are NAZIs.
Parties will realign. The future of humanity is permanent world civil war between the Rural Allies and the Axis of Urban.
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@iThink Third-Party candidates could get elected if more people stopped believing that they will never stand a chance, and actually vote for them. There is strength in numbers, and the two-Party monopoly knows that. Our first President was an independent, and the second a Federalist, and if other Parties could get elected back then they also could today. There comes a time when we must acknowledge that a "lesser evil" is still an evil.
A hypothesis to consider. Not saying it's true or not. But it warrants consideration. In this day and age, extreme hypotheses need to be considered.
The Constitution has already been terminated, by Democrats. There is no constitution anymore.
Democrats declared war on Republicans. In war, there are no rules.
Once upon a time, America lived under the British constitution, and Americans terminated the deal. What counts is that they subsequently wrote their own constitution, and that it was better.
In 1793, the French terminated their constitution, but it wasn't an improvement.
France sucks at constitutions. France is on its 5th republic.
How would y'all write a constitution?
Perhaps have 19 branches of government, and to spend money, all branches must agree.
jaymaron
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Dec 6, 2022
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I don't think that there is anything wrong with the Constitution we already have, except it is not being used or enforced or followed.
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. In war, the enemy gets a vote.
If you live under tyranny and your vote is disenfranchised, then an option is to go to war and start casting war votes.
If Republican states were sovereign, then Democrats would be forced to respect Republican will.
"Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False and Fraudulent elections!" says Trump, but they would condone "the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution"!? I think not!
As for me, I once took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same," and I will not support any man who wants to undermine it in any way, especially not as a presidential candidate.
KeithThroop
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Dec 6, 2022
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Well said, and this comment should be its own post!
@SpikeTalon @KeithThroop I will agree with something @jaymaron said above - the Constitution has been put aside already if the fraud that appears to have happened, did. Our Constitution is only as good as the people supporting it, otherwise, it's just a piece of blowing paper on the winds of tyranny, and right now, it is NOT being supported in any way by the Left and Democrats - again, if the fraud I think we all agree happened. I am leaning that way, but need transparency that the politicians on both sides seem to not to want.
In the course of events... such events have appear to have happened. I don't agree with calls for revolution, but rebellion? I'm getting there.
In Classical America, any politician that was anti-constitution was punished in elections. Today, Democrats are explicitly anti-constitution.
If the constitution happens to give Democrats power, Democrats use the power to the max. If the constitution goes against Democrats, Democrats ignore the constitution.
The options are to have rules or to not have rules. Democrats think that not having rules is better, but this backfires. You get anarchy. The Democratic party will balkanize into factions, each claiming that the constitution is on their side.
Suppose in a game of sports that the other team commits fouls and the ref doesn't call them. If your team doesn't commit fouls, you will lose.
Trump is a hockey enforcer for Republicans.
Democrats own the Justice Department. They are the referees and they're not calling fouls on Democrats. They call fouls on Republicans when there is no foul.
Democrats have no sense of sportsmanship or team play. They are incapable of fairness and they don't see America as a team.
In the film "War Games", everyone comes to the realization that with some games, the only way to win is to not play.
Democrats will happily destroy America if it gives them a chance to destroy Republicans.
I agree with Musk on that...
Musk responds to Trump: 'The Constitution is greater than any President'-
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