It’s completely out of control. It’s was remarkable to watch the Democratic debates and see the candidates attack each other with ridiculous charges. Kamala Harris accusing Joe Biden of racism, and Pete Buttigieg attacked by Elizabeth Warren as being owned by billionaires. If the Dems think their own candidates are racist, no wonder they are completely unhinged when they talk about Trump.

@GeeMac You might want to go back and look at the Republican debates in 2016.

@Pand0ro why?

@GeeMac I don't know. Maybe there was some interparty bashing going on.

@Pand0ro Oh, no doubt, all politicians bash the hell out of each other, even within their own parties. That wasn’t my point. I’m saying no wonder the Dems think Trump is a racist, that’s exactly how the Dems view each other.

@GeeMac I am a racist. I don't want to be, I try not to be but when circumstances come together I find myself disparaging blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, etc. solely based on their race. It is part of our inbuilt instincts to favor our group. Are Democrats in such disarray? They have always been in disarray, it is one of the defining features of being a Democrat. Many Democrats think that being a Republican makes them automatically racist while not recognizing the racism in themselves. The interbashing in the Democratic debates is no different that that in the Republican debates.

@Pand0ro I have to give you top marks for honesty. You’re actually far more honest that Kamala Harris when she made her racist smear against Sleepy Joe.

Kamala makes a living hating people like you: racists. She doesn’t believe for a second that Sleepy Joe is a racist. She smeared him to garner points. It was totally fake. That’s where Dems differ from Republicans, I think. When Jeb Bush attacked Trump as an asshole, he was being honest, and to some degree, correct. When Trump called Bush a low energy loser, and pointed out 911 happened on his brother George W watch, he was being 100% truthful and sincere.

Not like Kamala, who is just a liar. That’s the difference.

@GeeMac I have voted mostly Democratic since I was 21 yrs old. Democrats can be very contrived in their self-presentation because so many Democrats are all over the place politically and unlike Republicans, do not feel compelled to stick to the party line. The far left with its antifa movement, cancel culture, political correctness and believing that there is no differences between sexes and intellectual ability among people are living in a fantasy world. That being said the far right are living in a fantasy world thinking that all we have to do is get rid of all Democrats and we will be living in utopia. I do believe Trump is completely incompetent as president (I am also) and has created chaos in the government. Given the loyalty that is valued in the Republican party, the fact that the Lincoln Project formed is astounding to me. Someone has to be unbelievably unfit to have that happen. Rex Tillerson of all people called him "a f***ing moron". Both parties have their serious problems and no party ever formed will be without faults. People should be loyal to their country over their party.

@Pand0ro absolutely no doubt Trump can be his own worst enemy. But I I’d vote for him over Biden, or Kamila, or Cory Booker or Jay Inslee any day. I can’t think of a single Democrat who isn’t towing the woke progressive line.

The Republicans play to a base that embraces flag, faith and family. They are failing miserably at communicating why those values matter in 2020.

The Democrats increasing play to an entitled, morally snobbish base that hates everything the US stands for. And they continue to dismantle America, piece by painful piece.

@GeeMac The far left's madness has forgotten there is a nation that needs leadership that covers the needs of the country, not the few. They should be concentrating on the massive redistribution of wealth from the many to the few, working at making sure families are able to make a reasonable living and the failing infrastructure. Republicans PLAY to a flag, faith and family base but really don't care about it except in the ways that gains them votes. They are trying to make America a one-party state where they work with the billionaires to control all the money and power. Guess we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I agree. thumbs up

Totally agree. I’d add that the left also doesn’t care about the black community, immigrants, gays, or the climate. The exploit these issues to advance their own agenda: power.

"normal All- American family of his"

His normal family of having children with three separate wives, all of whom he cheated on? All-American family, when his first wife was an immigrant from Czechia and his current wife is an immigrant from Slovenia? I wonder, would you also consider the Obamas a normal all-American family, having all been born in the USA and being happily married for 28 years with no sex scandals?

@JacksonNought Marriages lead to- or away from -but are not the same thing as- family.

@JacksonNought Obama did have sex scandals, btw. Lots of rumors of him being a closeted gay man with several men mentioned by name. Not that I would have given a shit. If someone's wife doesn't care then I don't care. My issue was that as president he was less like Senator Obama and more like President George Bush. I wasn't down with that whole droning kids and militarizing the police thing.

How is an immigrant wife not "All American"? As one myself I was always under the impression that this was quintessentially American. Hence the whole Immigration and Naturalization Department--it seals the deal on being an American.

That's exactly true. The fact that Hilter is used is a scare tactic. But most my age (41) didn't take history or only believe the history they were taught.

@ThomasinaPaine

I don't like to make blanket statements or generalities, but I since the OP decided to do so and basically claim "the left hates you especially if you are white"...

I have nothing wrong with immigrants, but it is odd for a group ("the right" ) who is extremely family values and conservative Christian and nationalistic and anti-immigration, to then champion a man who cheated on every wife and who has married two immigrants as "all-American" and claim them to be the epitome of "normal". And then many on the right, who champion Trump's family, would go out of their way to blast Obama's family as not-normal or not-American. I really am just calling out the hypocrisy here.

And Obama did not have sex scandals. Q-level nutjob conspiracy theories about Obama being gay or Michelle being a man doesn't equal actual scandals. There is also the pee-tape rumor about Trump, with Russia controlling him through blackmail of the tape - would you consider that a real scandal?

I wasn't a big fan of Obama for the same reasons as you, with the drones and militarization and punishing whistle-blowers... but I would certainly consider their family normal Americans, and I would not agree that "the left hates your normal family".

@JacksonNought This isn't the 90's. If we're generalizing I'd say that the right isn't all Christian Coalition anymore. In fact, the only really outward Praise Jesus Christians that you see tend to be people of color. My black friends are all "Bless!" and "Amen!" and "Satan is a liar" while my white Christian friends have COEXIST bumperstickers and wear Pride flag pins.

I know people who worked in the Obama White House so I'll just say that I disagree and that my opinion of Michelle is 10x higher than her husband. Michelle, I still like. Him...not in the least.

I also don't agree on the left doesn't hate normal families. The left hates everyone today especially lesbian and bisexual women. As it does not seem that you are one of those you probably don't understand the doxxing, rape threats, death threats and daily harassment from the left towards women who don't want a "lady penis". Watch Arielle Scarcella sometime and or Google "Kill all Terfs" then look at the images in the search.

There is a reason we are in a mass exodus the fuck outta progressiveville. At least when the right tried conversion therapy there was grape juice and cookies. The left's version include "rape bats" and doxxing.

@ThomasinaPaine There are literal sexual predator men dressed as women reading stories to school children in schools. There are 10 year old boys who identify as gau stripping for men. Homosexuality and degeneracy is openly embraced by the media. There are huge gay pride parades. Kids are now able to transition from being male to female even if one parent does not want that, the state forces it. Gays can get married. Every GD TV show has gays in it. Gay propaganda is showing up in cartoons and on classrooms. Gays even have hate crime statutes protecting them from violence. It goes on and on and on from there. The left, the liberals, the Marxists, the Democrats (except for blacks) seem to support the gay agenda being foisted upon the American people.

necrosis

@idoidoido

Maybe if you knew what the bible taught you could remove your own wrong thinking. You've listened to people.
I would never ever follow what you describe. Sounds like Allah, Muhammad.
What I .love about Jesus is called truth, no lie, nothing hidden.
Everything is hidden on this earth, but often in plain sight.
So nobody can see it.
So many Christians like myself have Jesus to thank for all types of Salvation.
Sin is just a mess. See any messes lately?

@2FollowHim Yeah, I see a big mess. Christian Universities run by men who watch their wives [Becki Falwel] having sex with young men but teach others that sex outside of marriage is wrong. They obviously don't believe what they teach.

@Zteph Let's try to not throw the BABY out with the bathwater. Bathwater's dirty, Christianity fixes. You COULD find loads of THOSE accounts if you'd lose your extreme fixation on failures, those who sought, and GOT worldly acclaim.
It's about the Lord, Yehoshua in Hebrew who heals.

We ARE certainly in a big mess, yes? Can't see it yet?
Nancy Morgan hart has helpful videos. Pretty scary stuff seemingly coming down.

@Zteph That's for bible following Christians because marriage in Christianity is to be a UNION. Obviously this is rare, too much against it.
Remember everyone gets this life, right! The next isn't yours anymore.

@2FollowHim They got worldy acclaim because of Christians financing them.

It's tantamount to the Jews agreeing Hitler was right to throw them into incinerators.

@Zteph Vaguely. I mean, if you think about it, #Hitler was more merciful than the #Christian deity. Hitler had the decency to gas them or enrich mankind by using them for scientific experiments; either way, you weren't going to be tortured for eternity. It was either over quick or over soon enough; you could always kill yourself if it became unbearable and maybe society would benefit from the experimental surgery you were subjected to.

Hell, on the other hand, is the most pointless, cruel, sadistic creation imaginable. There are some very bad people out there I'd have no moral objection personally making beg for mercy in the last and longest moments of their life, but of all the most evil people I can think of, even if I believed they should be punished severely, for centuries if it was in my power even, I can't imagine throwing away the key and leaving them in torment forever. That's the height of sadism.

Hitler might have killed some people, but the Christian deity apparently thinks eternal torment that even death can't release one from is an appropriate punishment for a lifetime of mediocre faith and sexy thoughts about my neighbor. If that's their god, it makes perfect sense that Lucifer would rebel against Him. Maybe he was the good guy this whole time. #Lucifer never threatens to torture anyone for not being a Satanist. One would think an omniscient, omnibenevolent deity would at least have the decency to put the condemned out of their misery.

Kinda weird when you think about it, that Hitler is a better example of a moral human than the Christian deity.

Could you elaborate a bit what you mean by "Berlin circa 1938"? Are you more concerned that Trump or the Leftists are "Hitler"? I wonder how would Hitler handle the protests of 2020...

Certainly trying times we live in...

@Admin With bullets.

@Admin
First the caveat: I'm no historian or expert on Germany.
Around 1938, Germany was in a depression, still recovering from The Great War. Unemployment was . The traditional government had been unable to address reconstruction of the country. Infrastructure was falling apart, and general unrest, crime, and poverty were rampant. Along comes a firebrand who latches on to the National Socialist party. Through demagoguery, a strong appeal to nationalistic pride & promises of making Deutschland great again, he is elected to power. He creates his own police group <Brown Shirts> and rebuilds the military for nationalistic purposes. Germany then falls under the spell of Nazism.

Sounds familiar to me.
Now, I voted for President Trump. And if Mr. Biden is the nominee for the Democrats, I may have to sit this one out.

It is certainly the tendency for each party to demonize the other. Republicans are referred to as Facist by the left and Democrats as Communists and Socialists by the right. If Eisenhower were running for office today he would be considered a leftist. He is a general who cautioned us about the military-industrial complex. Nixon did not start the Vietnam war, he is the one who got us out of it. Dick Cheney when he was Secretary of Defense for HW was asked why HW did not go in and take over Iraq when he had the chance. Mr. Cheney said we would be caught up in a quagmire. He was spot on but had different motivations for going ahead with GW

@Pand0ro
The issue is that the modern Democratic Party is socialist, they are not even denying it.
To call someone a socialist is not an insult.
Whereas the Republicans are not Fascist at all.
To call someone a fascist is a very serious insult.

Therefore the one is a deliberate smear to demonise a group, the other is a statement of fact.

@Hanno There are some members of the Democratic who are Socialist, a few Communist, many who love this country and consider the agenda of the extreme left as delusional and damaging. There are some members of the Republican party who are fascist in their beliefs, some who are authoritarian and many who are following what they believe to be the best interests of America and love their country. Please don't pack everybody in the same container.

@Pand0ro
Name the fascist Republican members of Congress and Senate.
Name the socialists Democratic members of Congress and Senate.

Go and call someone in the street a fascist and then someone else as socialist...
Look at the responses.

No, it is not the same is it?

Exactly. The question is ridiculous because it focuses on the target of the smear, assuming there are valid “reasons” to smear him, rather than the smear tactic itself.

This is a really good point. I've been looking at this as an inability to debate. But, if this is a strategy or tactic that's really scary.

Also you should never say "I'm not racist" at the beginning of a statement or you've already been locked into their false premises.

Nothing but ad hominem.

Trump derangement is a serious mental condition on both the left and the right.

The historical perspective is that the establishment is treating Trump as they treated Abraham Lincoln. It's a product of the same coastal elitism. Things got so bad that Lincoln had to have newspaper editors arrested because they were openly seditious. A backwoods lawyer and a Manhattan real estate developer are both an affront to the "refined" tastes of a supercilious establishment that us mostly vacuous.

Corporatism, globalism, and banksterism are not new. The same type of people that look to Europe and say why can't we be more like them were the plantation owners in the South. They have the same arrogance and pride in being above the average person. While the plantation owners were trying to be a cheap imitation of European landed nobility today the people who consider themselves elite are trying to imitate the European technocracy.

Most continental philosophy is grandiloquent and authoritarian. It has produced disaster after disaster. From Baron de Montesquieu, Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Denis Diderot and the French revolution to Marx and the communist revolution, on down to Hegel and the Nazis. More recently Jean Baudrillard, Jean-François Lyotard, Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault have produced the abomination of post modernism. Yet child like Americans follow that lead because ego and an empty concept of sophistication.

@wolfhnd Trump derangement, another catchphrase soaked up by the masses, just like a gameshow.

@maxmaccc

Reversing the ad populum fallacy is a fallacy onto itself and isn't an argument. It is a cryptic appeal to authority and is a type of an ad hominem as used here.

The left accuses President Trump of “inciting” or “encouraging” violence while they’re out in the streets actually Burning Looting Murdering. They accuse him of oppressing people while they endorse brands and regimes that actually employ slave labor. They call him a racist but actively try to have peoples lives ruined for saying “white lives matter.” They call him a sexist while they support candidates who’ve been CREDIBLY accused of sexual assault. They call him a homophobe while they support people who hurl homosexuals off of rooftops.. the projection goes on and on and on. Shit is comedy! I’m no President Trump nutswinger.. he’s done plenty of shit that I don’t agree with, and has disappointed the hell out of me on several occasions, but the left’s hypocrisy is.. laughable, meng

@tonkotsu Couldn't agree with you more on that, the hypocrisy from the left is astounding.

Agree.
Didn't vote for same reason(s).

Now here is a guy with a cool head. Thank you!

"Orange man bad" = "Obama man bad" = "Hitler bad" logic perhaps?

@Admin There is no logic to it at all. It is pure emotion. In reading a book about Sigmund Freud it was stated that he had to have a best friend and a greatest enemy. There seem to be many who need an enemy to focus on. When a country is functioning most of them are focused on different countries. In America today it is often our fellow citizens, which is being strongly encouraged by mainly Russia on social media. We have been taught since the 90s that our opponents are evil and want nothing more that to destroy America. It has evolved into profound dislike of politicians and complete loss of faith in government. The original idea was to demonize the opponent to guarantee a vote for the right party. It worked in gaining the votes but is now destroying us.

Lots in there I agree with, but I would take issue with the wildly popular, but false idea that ever Trump described Mexicans as “drug addled rapists.” It never happened.

Trump correctly pointed out that the masses pouring across the border include criminals, rapists and drug dealers. A perfectly legitimate and truthful comment.

@GeeMac You're right, my bad for the embellished way I put that. I was thinking more in the mindset of how he's portrayed on Twitter and other social media instead of what he actually said. I do try not to write that way. Which is why I'm usually pretty wordy. Still working in that lol

I friend of mine forwarded me the NYTimes article as she's afraid that Trump is ratcheting up authoritarianism... so I made this the topic of the day. My personal belief is fear on both sides is due to outrage culture and social media training us to dehumanize those who have different views. I often hear both sides saying that the other side is the one doing bad things and they're just responding. Reminds me of a kid pulling the hair of another kid and saying, "I'm not pulling, you are!". As these protests lose their novelty, the protestors seem to raise the stakes and, after being on sidelines, Trump is (reluctantly?) getting the Federal government involved... which raises things more. My liberal friends seem both afraid of the things that my conservative friends fear but in reverse. I'm just trying to make sense of it.

Didn't Hitler say something just like that?

Sad but true...

Great point. I believe the stats from the 20th Century show 70-million killed by fascism and 100-million killed by communism. So Stalin and Mao have more blood on their hands. But the last few generations have zero knowledge of history, so they proudly wear Che Guevara tee shirts and talk about the wonders of socialism.

Always a sign of a lack of knowledge. The political equivalent of dropping an “F” bomb. Maximum attention, minimum vocabulary.

America needs actual Nationalism. Perhaps this time the Jews won't be rounded up.

And the right does not?