In every close election, the side that loses has every right to verify that the election process was fair and accurate. For better or worse, there is an emotional and practical incentive for them to give credence to reports of fraud and miscounts. Social media and its confirmation bias makes it especially hard to separate facts from fiction. What do you think about the veracity of the election results? If you see fraud, what evidence do you have that will stand up in court?
The citizens must have confidence in the election system. we have lost faith because of very real issues that impact very close, contentious races. "glitches", video evidence of malfeasance and affidavits of eyewitnesses rightly shake confidence in the integrity of our elections.
I have my suspicions, but I want the proper officials to be given time to make sure there was no monkey business. Win or lose, I just want fair elections. If the courts need to get involved, so be it. We spent 3 years and millions of dollars because the Democrats couldn't accept defeat in 2016 and cooked up a phony story about Russian collusion helping Trump "steal" the election. I don't think it's too much to ask for an appropriate amount of time to make sure this one wasn't tinkered with.
Hitchen's Razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
The Trump Team has never produced any evidence of systemic voter fraud despite making said claims for years.
Until there is evidence of systemic voter fraud, Trump's Team's claims of systemic voter fraud can be dismissed without evidence.
Sagan Standard: "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence"
Irregularities have to happen; no system is perfect.
Fraud has to happen; no population is perfect.
But for irregularities or fraud to significantly alter election results would be extraordinary and thus would require extraordinary evidence.
Conclusion: until evidence is presented, I believe in the election results in 2020 as I did in 2016, and 2012, and 2008, etc
Trump and those around him have had targets on their backs before he ever took office. I do not know there was fraud but I think there are some that would do ANYTHING to get him out of office. I am also very suspect of how the election has unfolded in general. Trump starts to gain momentum and seems hes gonna roll and everything shuts down to reopen shortly thereafter with those margins suddenly reversed. Maybe there is a logical explanation, but if its coming from the MSM and Trump is involved its almost certainly a lie.
I’m not a fan of the Dems, however, the American system is unique in that power can shift every two years. The focus now must be on winning the 2022 midterms. No good can possibly come from re-fighting this election. It’s over.
By all means, recount, investigate and confirm; but to blindly make accusations based on gut feelings is simply creating division and doubt and playing into the hands of the forces working to destroy America.
Especially given that, as yet, We HAVE NO Results.
Unless you’re referring to the Crap the Mass Media has “Declared”.
Until they are Certified there are NO Results.
I don’t give a Rat’s Ass what Biden, Harris or the Media barfs up in the meantime.
Seems like the Admin is, once again, hung up on taking a stance for which there is no grounds.
Have seen all the alledged evidence yet so I am unable to determine veracity but because there are witnesses willing to testify to election fraud and reports of election fraud are being investigated biden has not won as being touted on the media. The Constitutional process needs to be worked through before a President-elect is declared.
Oh, I believe that some fraud happened. It will happen every election... on both sides. But I don't believe that there was any mass fraud that benefited the Democrats or "stole" the election.
I don't see anyone in the comments so far coming up with any proof that would hold up in court or even any speculation on how such a mass fraud would take place. Several states would have to be complicit in this fraud for this suggested scheme to work. Doesn't each state have its own protocols to ensure the validity of the ballots?
Absolutely, I think that we should recount in the states where it was close and we should make sure that both parties are satisfied with the protocols to ensure the validity of the vote. I am a Democrat and I voted for Biden, but I would accept it if a recount showed that Trump had won. And I would accept it if an investigation showed some real evidence of a mass fraud. I would want to know! And I think anything that can reassure Americans of the validity of the election would be a good thing right now.
The U.S. has been managing voting for a long time. There are in every state voting irregularities that happen. People vote in the wrong precinct or the machines somehow don't record the votes correctly, but these are things that run in the hundreds and are not fraud. Fraud is a crime. Every voter who commits fraud is entitled to his or her day in court. It's relatively hard to commit voter fraud. Massive fraud in any election would be relativity easy to spot since every voter must check-in prior to voting and there would be a huge difference between the number check-ins and the votes cast. It takes a lot of effort and in country where about 50% of eligible voters don't even bother to vote, it's hard to imagine why anyone would bother to cast a fraudulent vote. In the past voter fraud has been relatively rare. To think that suddenly this year there would be massive voter fraud is a pipe dream. At best there will be a few cases, but certainly not anywhere near the thousands of cases necessary to overturn the result. It's just not going to happen. It's just not very likely that the courts would interfere with the initial counting of votes. So long as the states comply with their own rules, the courts almost alway side with them.
Have a Plandemic with Scaredemic overtones for a wimped out society interested more in security than freedom. Put lgbt and race activist brownshirts at the polls to do whatever dirty work they can (as Stalin said - I don't care who votes -only who counts them (Is this proof enough what goes on?) LET THEM CHEAT TO HIGH HEAVEN and you have a STOLE election.
For four years the media promoted the conspiracy theory based on Russian disinformation paid for by the Clinton campaign that Trump was under the influence of Putin. Then the media and the intelligence community suppressed evidence that would have made impeachment almost impossible. Now the media is telling you that voter fraud is uncommon when all the circumstantial evidence points to what is uncommon is for it to be uncovered and prosecuted.
Massive voter fraud has been part of U.S. elections in large cities almost from it's conception.
"One of the most infamous of these political machines was Tammany Hall, the Democratic Party machine that played a major role in controlling New York City and New York politics"
"Chicago Style Politics. The phrase has often been used to refer to the Democratic Party-dominated machine, or "boss," politics of Chicago during the late nineteenth and early twentieth century"
"Although he only briefly held elected office as an alderman, Pendergast, in his capacity as Chairman of the Jackson County Democratic Party, was able to use his large network of family and friends to help elect politicians (through voter fraud in some cases) and hand out government contracts and patronage jobs."
I'm only offering these three examples but there are many more. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia has biased editors so you won't find many recent examples.
Now ask yourself if voter fraud was rampant and widely known about in the past but went unprosecuted why would you expect it to be uncovered and prosecuted today?
I focused of Democrats but there are plenty of republican examples as well. What is striking is the cognitive dissonance required for anyone to believe voter fraud is uncommon where patronage is so obvious.
It's incredible to watch half a country fall into the thrall of a carnival trickster - fall for every hilarious little lie, where the rest of the world is lying, but the guy covered in orange fake tan who is hated by his own city and family is the only one telling the truth.
bad education i guess. fun watching the end of an empire though.
he'll be doing his covid rallies again soon, all the hayseeds turning up to catch covid to risk dying to see trump bleat about how things are unfair.