Back in the hoary days of high school, when giants roamed the land (Caddies, Lincolns and Imperials; the true dinosaurs), I started watching and reading William F Buckley. From him I learned conservatives were eloquent and charming. When Reagan came along I learned they were dignified, and sometimes folksy, too.
Trump was none of the above. I felt he was treating the Republican Party like a self actualization toy. I was appalled when he got the nomination. As the 2016 campaign progressed, however, I decided I wanted another Clinton administration about as much as I wanted a lap dance from a sweaty sumo wrestler. So I voted for Trump.
This campaign I voted for Trump rather than against his opponent. I want more of the same. The bravura economy (I haven't seen those kind of numbers since the sixties). The steady approval of conservative judges. The persistence of his efforts against illegal immigration. The steady rebuilding of the mlitary. And no new wars. I've sent two of my children to wars and it was terrifying each time.
The actions of the mainstream media have only reinforced my choice. They are uniform in opinion and phrasing. A Greek chorus of bile and spite. They had a liberal monoculture in the seventies, but they allowed a few conservative voices. None are allowed today. If somebody strays from the party line they suffer a tsunami of outrage and then are expelled.
And so now it's, "Alea iacta est." The die is cast, let's see how it plays out.
In 2016, I voted for Johnson as I felt the other candidates were flawed. When Trump was elected, my original thought was, like in business, sometimes a outsider is needed to disrupt a static system. While I've a tech Ph.D. and been successful in business, I grew up in one of the fly-over, blue collar states and understand the sense of outsider that non-elites feel. Trump felt like a Molotov cocktail thrown into the establishment.
Today, both candidates represent a clearly different future for this country.
To me, the Democrat party now focuses on identity politics where each group frames this country as irredeemable, unfair, and oppressive in their own way... regardless of the affirmation of equality of opportunity in civil rights, women's rights, Gay/Lesbian rights, and even trans rights. I am concerned that the increased vilification of the American experiment will lead to a new level of unfairness and oppression if the government is used to enforce punitive retribution of past sins.
On the other hand, I feel that Trump's vision of American is aspirational and inclusive. I realize that my liberal friends groan when inclusive and Trump are used in the same sentence. I use inclusive in the sense of MLK where a person's good character trumps their immutable identity. In a time of the aftereffects of globalization, secularization, demographic change, and an quickly approaching economic slowdown, a country's success depends on its people's ability to care about others regardless of identity and to share a common bond.
I am, however, very disappointed that Trump doesn't believe in man-made climate change and his communication style is polarizing to say the least. That being said, he has my vote.
As an Oregonian the tacit endorsement of the violence in PDX has been appalling . Kamala showed her true colors when she said she would use campaign funds to bail out “peaceful protesters” in PDX. our protest have not been peaceful. and our DA won't even hold the most violent individuals accountable. Unfortunately those who are peaceful simply seem to lend political cover to the violence that erupts nightly in Portland.
I used to be a Dem. They left me behind after Trump got elected when they went batshit insane. I thought Trump would Trash America when he got elected, I was wrong. Instead its been The democrat elect, media and now the rioting individuals acting like violent insolent children that are clearly burning this country down. They have waged a win at all costs campaign to remove Trump, but when the costs happen to be the 1-5 amendments and Democracy as we know it... Thats too much “cost” for this guy. The American constitution has been the greatest asset to free humanity in history and to destroy it to remove one man for his personality flaws leaves me without words. TRUMP 2020
The Overton Window. The left is so far left we have to stabilize the country. Seems to be an attempt to throw the baby out with the bath water. Biden should be in a geriatric Ward. AOC, Omar, etc, etc. As long as there are people like this on the left I will vote a Republican ticket regardless. This is the most important election in my lifetime.
I'm voting for Trump because, despite his many flaws, our pre-covid days were very good, and I believe deep down he truly cares about this country. I think Biden cares 99% about Biden. Harris cares about this country only if she can reshape it into God knows what. I believe Trump views minorities as people, not votes. And at the end of the day, which party respects the liberties provided by our constitution? The answer for me is clear.
I'm voting For Trump because two words. "Intelligence" community. Time and time again the incompetent puppet masters have tangled our strings. If ever there was a ready made puppet it's Joe Biden. Somebody has got to stand between the incompetent bureaucratic state and the people.
If I thought the technocrats were competent I could be convinced to go with the cultural establishment but look at the mess in California, Greece, Italy, France, Spain, and everywhere else soft socialism has been tried. There is no mechanism in government as it exists today on which to build a hierarchy of competence. No competence, no civilization.
I don't know if I convinced anyone or not. I did share my views with whomever asked, and quite a few people did ask. I'm sure a few of them may have been swayed by my reasoning, if they weren't already leaning in the same direction before.
I didn't vote for President Trump in 2016, and most everyone I know didn't either, mostly for the same reasons I didn't. We just didn't trust him. However, I am voting for him this time, as are most of the people I know who felt as I did in 2016. I may have convinced some of them to make this change, but I'm pretty sure most of them were coming to that conclusion just as I was. There are many conservative Evangelicals like us, by the way, who didn't vote for President Trump in 2016 but who are adamant about voting form his this year. We feel that he has earned our vote by being more conservative in governing than many of the "conservatives" we had voted for in the past. There are still some things about him we do not like, but we seem to agree with most all of his policies.
The reason no one is able to convince any one else on social media is right there in your question:
How many people did you convince to vote for your candidate?
Not, did you change your mind due to social media?
Everybody is here only to voice their opinions. Not to learn anything, or have their thoughts tested or minds changed.
It says a lot about our modern culture, we know better, in the face of all evidence. That is why no one here accepts when they are wrong or made a mistake... they stubbornly, ad hominem attack or just leave the question unanswered.
And that is why the world is getting more agitated, countries more split and people less understanding.
As a Canadian, I don’t get a vote, but if I did, I could never support Biden-Harris. Kamala Harris is so woke she smeared Biden as a racist in the debates, knowing full well that it was a lie. That Biden — who faithfully served America’s first black president — could be a racist is ludicrous, but Harris clearly showed how progressives are willing to smear anyone when it serves them, even if it damages the country.
Harris and Donald Trump are equally ruthless. The difference is that Harris attempts to hide her motives under loud giggles and a false veneer of empathy for the disadvantaged. Don’t take my word for it. Look at her record, especially as a prosecutor.
So I judge on three factors:
The elite establishment, the opposition, the news media and popular culture have waged all-out war on Trump from the minute he rode down the escalator. He was criticized on demeanour more than policy, and the criticism was always misleading and distorted. Everyone knew critics were unfair, but felt it was okay because Trump was always described and seen in the most vile terms possible.
Trump is an outsider and still refuses to behave or speak like a politician. To younger progressives he’s a dinosaur from the era of the Playboy Mansion and the three martini lunch. He speaks like an over-the-top salesman who sees his product as the biggest, most beautiful and best ever. He’s a raw, New York street fighter who seeks to crush his enemies. He’s an odd anachronism in the age of woke post-structuralism, and his refusal to play the political game by the rules makes him his own worst enemy.
Dispite the rough edges, Trump kept his promises with an impressive list of achievements, led by traditional conservative goals around a strong economy, tax cuts, employment, deregulation, judicial appointments, souther border security, homeland security and a strong military.
He crushed ISIS and avoided new foreign wars. Under Trump there was relative calm in the Middle East, after Obama disasters in handling Libya and Syria. Iran was quiet, the US embassy in Israel was finally moved to Jerusalem, and the historic Israel-UAE-Bahrain deal was all but ignored in the media. Trump became the only modern President to take on China, contained Russian moves on their neighbours, forced NATO allies to start paying their dues, tamed the UN, and even kept North Korea in check.
Trump was far from perfect. And while he lacked the great communication skills of Ronald Reagan, he delivered several historic speeches on western and American values (eg Eastern Europe and Mount Rushmore), which were either ignored by the media, or distortedly reported.
The Democrats have skillfully controlled the whole campaign by defining it as a referendum on Covid, which has robbed Trump of his booming economy and made him look weak. If Biden-Harris are elected — and it’s looking more and more likely — America will continue to cede ground to post modernists and post-structuralists who hate the very idea of the republic and liberal western values.
Conservatives must coalesce around a new generation of leadership or the country, and the Enlightenment Project is lost.
watching the second 30 minute segment of 60 minutes which is essentially a Democratic advertisement, it's shocking that a formerly reputable show has sunk to such depth and is now fine with repeating known lies and blaming everything that goes wrong in the US no matter how large, small or disconnected on Donald Trump. Sad for so many reasons.
I have a Trump basher friend. I can't actually say I convinced him to vote for Trump. In truth, I think the reality of the situation finally penetrated his awareness and convinced him without my help; in early voting he said he voted for Trump. My vote is about supporting President Trump. It is not about supporting the Republican party. The only reason he has any support from the Republican party is that too many of the voters they require to maintain power do support the president. With that in mind I think that four more years of Trump will not be enough to rescue the American republic from the failings of democracy. When the law itself is subverted to favor one demographic over another the cause is lost. When governments fail - or fail you- you better know how to take care of yourself. I love the picture but I'm pretty sure that right hand path is just a scenic detour that slowly curves back to join the original tragic way.
Huge difference on social media vs. in person.
In social media, I had no success.
Of the three major social media sites I frequent, FB, agnostic.com, and slug.com.... agnostic is heavy left and thus most all voting for Biden, slug is heavy right and thus most all voting for the current administration... and my FB leans mostly left but I have quite a few right friends.
So using my FB as the most likely to change, I found that it was impossible to shift people away from the current administration and into Biden. Talks of policy were constantly muddled not by evidence or research, but talking points and quips. Biden wants to end all fracking; no he does. Biden wants socialism; no he doesn't. Biden is just a stand-in for Harris; no he isn't. This was compounded by a general inability to have a conversation without logical fallacies, namely ad hominem ("you must be an idiot to support that" ), strawman ("Biden wants to destroy the oil industry" ), and others. But this is generally par for the course on social media so it's no entirely surprising.
In my personal life however I had more success.
My parents voted for the current administration in 2016. They are very devout Roman Catholics and live those principle. Many times I had to rebuff them when they supported Trump's more unchristian views. A good example was when Trump was congratulating the man that punched the Hillary supporter at one of his 2016 rallies. My father was making excuses for Trump's support of said action and I had to pull the WWJD card, reminding him that Jesus would NEVER condone such violence. Same thing with the "grab them by the pussy" comment. Regardless of the veracity of that comment, I had to remind him that the Bible doesn't condone talking about people that way.
The real nail on the coffin though was COVID. My father is a retired nephrologist and I'm in radiation oncology. As such, we both have a strong commitment to science and medicine and a healthy respect for expert advice. The way that the current administration handled COVID was the final straw. He could not abide by the downplaying and inaction of the current administration. So when I reminded him that Biden would handle things more like him and I would handle things, listening to experts, following the science, he flipped and will now vote Biden.
A similar story played out at work.
My profession is very conservative. I think it's because we earn a lot of money and thus want to protect it with a strong stock market and low taxes. But all that took second place when the favoring of the economy over the science by the current administration put our patients at risk, our work at risk, and we started seeing more and more patients and loved ones dying because they didn't take COVID seriously enough, listened to the administration that it wasn't as deadly, wasn't as contagious as all that. That was the final straw for my colleagues and now most, if not all, my colleagues who voted for the current administration in 2016 will vote for Biden.
So what role did I have in these flips?
Hard to tell because I feel that the current administration did it to themselves, they didn't need ME telling my father and colleagues how they didn't allgn with our moral or scientific principles. But I feel maybe I could have been a catalyst. Maybe by showing that it was "ok" to be a son supporting Biden or a co-worker supporting Biden they were more prone to engage in conversation, air out their concerns, and find a sympathetic, calm, rational, educated sounding board in me that allowed them to think things through and come to the same conclusion I did.
Ok my vote is more about opposition. I don't just oppose one candidate but the whole electoral system itself. This system fights tooth and nail in my opinion to keep the public from having as many choices as possible in many elections. Also living in a closed primary state I'm forced as many others to register for one of the main two party's in order to participate at all in the primarys. There are four people running for president (more in some states) but only two were allowed in the debates. Why is this always considered fair and accepted as normal? I know my daughter is voting for Howie H. (Green) she switched from Biden but i won't decide myself till just before i walk in to vote.
So many reasons, but more than anything, illegal immigration. If you don’t have borders, you don’t have a nation. President Trump supports America and the Americans who live here. Biden supports letting anyone come to America from anywhere, and giving them access to food, healthcare, and housing, despite Americans going hungry, being sick, or being homeless.
The security inside the nation. President Trump doesn’t support violent criminals like antifa, a large contingent of blm, and revcom, who for the past five months have caused almost 2 billion dollars in damage to the country, are still rioting in parts of the country to this day, and who have promised to continue to riot (indeed, they’re not boarding up storefronts due to President Trump supporters). Biden and other leftist politicians as well as leftist apologizers, however, encourage uprisings and have dismissed these criminals as “ideas,” despite the almost 2B in damage to the country.
Several people I care about who either voted D or didn’t vote in the last election will be voting for President Trump, which pleases me greatly (I’d still love em all either way). I didn’t have to say or do anything, though. They simply contrasted the President’s actions with Biden and the left’s actions during this shitty year and are voting accordingly.
The admins could try this poll:
Would you support a rogue right wing US special forces unit conducting extra-legal kidnappings and secret detentions of Marxists in academia, overtly Leftist politicians, Deep State operators and Big Tech Socialists who suppress free speech?
( ) Yes
( ) No
( ) Only if there are no loose ends.
Just to see what falls when you shake the tree
I did a write-in vote. I voted for Lawrence L. Blair for president. Voting lesser of two evils has never been my thing; the last presidential candidate I voted for was Chuck Balwin, Constitutional Party in 2008, I believe it was. The only other candidate to receive my vote was John F. Kennedy. My vote is precious to me, too precious to sell for empty promises.
The reason I voted for trump in 2016, and the main reason, and I let everybody know, and ask them to do so if there is a chance,
I voted for trump the first time because he was not a active politician, and he did not care whether or not the republicans backed him or not.
We need more people running for office that are disconnected with politics, that could focus more on the country than what other politicians are sticking in their own pockets like hilary and obama. And every other politician.
I believe only low income people, middle class, and people with a yearly income of less than a $150,000 should be able to be elected into the house of representatives and the senate, and only have a term limit of 3 years, then are no longer eligible to run for congress every again.
That's my opinion,
We're learning more and more about the corruption of the Democrats. When Nixon's people bugged Watergate, the dirty deeds were done by the campaign. While some of the people involved had previously been government employees, they were employees of the campaign when they committed that crime. Nixon was thrown out of office as a result. The Obama people who have committed crimes against the Trump campaign and the Trump administration have been government employees. That makes their crimes even worse. People like Strozk and Comey need to go to jail over those crimes. Otherwise, they will happen again and again and we will not have representative government at all. If Biden is elected, those crimes will never be prosecuted.
The COVID-19 situation has been handled poorly at all levels of government, but the Democrats have been the worst. Cuomo stuck sick old people in nursing homes where they transmitted the disease to other old people instead of using the facilities that the federal government provided. That increased the death count tremendously in New York. The lockdowns have destroyed the economy. The lockdowns have given another advantage to large companies like Walmart over local businesses in competition with Walmart. Biden and his handlers want another lockdown and wants to do further harm to small businesses and our communities. He wants to continue to help Walmart and Amazon at the expense of regular Americans working hard to make small businesses work.
The deregulation that Trump has brought has been good for the country, and we need to continue in that direction and not back to the same bad policies of the Obama years.
Trump has reduced the amount of fighting that we are doing around the world. He has strengthened Israel and brought more peace to that part of the world.
Traitors to this country have tried to use terrorism throughout the summer to try to scare people into voting against Trump. We need to reject their threats by voting for Trump. If they continue to commit violence, then we need to destroy them. Appeasement of tyranny has never worked, and these traitors are trying to impose tyranny.
from Bob Rinnear:
Good Vs Evil
In trying to figure out what message I’d like to present to you all as we’re just a few days away from a very important election, I stumbled across the following letter that was sent to Donald Trump. The sender is Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò. It’s a long read, but I think it’s spot on, and deserves a look. If any of you were wondering where your vote should go, you might want to truly dissect this work.
DONALD J. TRUMP
Sunday, October 25, 2020
Solemnity of Christ the King
Allow me to address you at this hour in which the fate of the whole world is being threatened by a global conspiracy against God and humanity. I write to you as an Archbishop, as a Successor of the Apostles, as the former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America. I am writing to you in the midst of the silence of both civil and religious authorities. May you accept these words of mine as the “voice of one crying out in the desert” (Jn 1:23).
As I said when I wrote my letter to you in June, this historical moment sees the forces of Evil aligned in a battle without quarter against the forces of Good; forces of Evil that appear powerful and organized as they oppose the children of Light, who are disoriented and disorganized, abandoned by their temporal and spiritual leaders.
Daily we sense the attacks multiplying of those who want to destroy the very basis of society: the natural family, respect for human life, love of country, freedom of education and business. We see heads of nations and religious leaders pandering to this suicide of Western culture and its Christian soul, while the fundamental rights of citizens and believers are denied in the name of a health emergency that is revealing itself more and more fully as instrumental to the establishment of an inhuman faceless tyranny
A global plan called the Great Reset is underway. Its architect is a global élite that wants to subdue all of humanity, imposing coercive measures with which to drastically limit individual freedoms and those of entire populations. In several nations this plan has already been approved and financed; in others it is still in an early stage. Behind the world leaders who are the accomplices and executors of this infernal project, there are unscrupulous characters who finance the World Economic Forum and Event 201, promoting their agenda.
The purpose of the Great Reset is the imposition of a health dictatorship aiming at the imposition of liberticidal measures, hidden behind tempting promises of ensuring a universal income and cancelling individual debt. The price of these concessions from the International Monetary Fund will be the renunciation of private property and adherence to a program of vaccination against Covid-19 and Covid-21 promoted by Bill Gates with the collaboration of the main pharmaceutical groups. Beyond the enormous economic interests that motivate the promoters of the Great Reset, the imposition of the vaccination will be accompanied by the requirement of a health passport and a digital ID, with the consequent contact tracing of the population of the entire world. Those who do not accept these measures will be confined in detention camps or placed under house arrest, and all their assets will be confiscated.
Mr. President, I imagine that you are already aware that in some countries the Great Reset will be activated between the end of this year and the first trimester of 2021. For this purpose, further lockdowns are planned, which will be officially justified by a supposed second and third wave of the pandemic. You are well aware of the means that have been deployed to sow panic and legitimize draconian limitations on individual liberties, artfully provoking a world-wide economic crisis. In the intentions of its architects, this crisis will serve to make the recourse of nations to the Great Reset irreversible, thereby giving the final blow to a world whose existence and very memory they want to completely cancel. But this world, Mr. President, includes people, affections, institutions, faith, culture, traditions, and ideals: people and values that do not act like automatons, who do not obey like machines, because they are endowed with a soul and a heart, because they are tied together by a spiritual bond that draws its strength from above, from that God that our adversaries want to challenge, just as Lucifer did at the beginning of time with his “non serviam.”
Many people – as we well know – are annoyed by this reference to the clash between Good and Evil and the use of “apocalyptic” overtones, which according to them exasperates spirits and sharpens divisions. It is not surprising that the enemy is angered at being discovered just when he believes he has reached the citadel he seeks to conquer undisturbed. What is surprising, however, is that there is no one to sound the alarm. The reaction of the deep state to those who denounce its plan is broken and incoherent, but understandable. Just when the complicity of the mainstream media had succeeded in making the transition to the New World Order almost painless and unnoticed, all sorts of deceptions, scandals and crimes are coming to light.
Until a few months ago, it was easy to smear as “conspiracy theorists” those who denounced these terrible plans, which we now see being carried out down to the smallest detail. No one, up until last February, would ever have thought that, in all of our cities, citizens would be arrested simply for wanting to walk down the street, to breathe, to want to keep their business open, to want to go to church on Sunday.
Yet now it is happening all over the world, even in picture-postcard Italy that many Americans consider to be a small enchanted country, with its ancient monuments, its churches, its charming cities, its characteristic villages. And while the politicians are barricaded inside their palaces promulgating decrees like Persian satraps, businesses are failing, shops are closing, and people are prevented from living, traveling, working, and praying. The disastrous psychological consequences of this operation are already being seen, beginning with the suicides of desperate entrepreneurs and of our children, segregated from friends and classmates, told to follow their classes while sitting at home alone in front of a computer.
In Sacred Scripture, Saint Paul speaks to us of “the one who opposes” the manifestation of the mystery of iniquity, the kathèkon (2 Thess 2:6-7). In the religious sphere, this obstacle to evil is the Church, and in particular the papacy; in the political sphere, it is those who impede the establishment of the New World Order.
As is now clear, the one who occupies the Chair of Peter has betrayed his role from the very beginning in order to defend and promote the globalist ideology, supporting the agenda of the deep church, who chose him from its ranks.
Mr. President, you have clearly stated that you want to defend the nation – One Nation under God, fundamental liberties, and non-negotiable values that are denied and fought against today. It is you, dear President, who are “the one who opposes” the deep state, the final assault of the children of darkness.
For this reason, it is necessary that all people of good will be persuaded of the epochal importance of the imminent election: not so much for the sake of this or that political program, but because of the general inspiration of your action that best embodies – in this particular historical context – that world, our world, which they want to cancel by means of the lockdown. Your adversary is also our adversary: it is the Enemy of the human race, He who is “a murderer from the beginning” (Jn 8:44).
Around you are gathered with faith and courage those who consider you the final garrison against the world dictatorship. The alternative is to vote for a person who is manipulated by the deep state, gravely compromised by scandals and corruption, who will do to the United States what Jorge Mario Bergoglio is doing to the Church, Prime Minister Conte to Italy, President Macron to France, Prime Minster Sanchez to Spain, and so on. The blackmailable nature of Joe Biden – just like that of the prelates of the Vatican’s “magic circle” – will exposehim to be used unscrupulously, allowing illegitimate powers to interfere in both domestic politics as well as international balances. It is obvious that those who manipulate him already have someone worse than him ready, with whom they will replace him as soon as the opportunity arises.
And yet, in the midst of this bleak picture, this apparently unstoppable advance of the “Invisible Enemy,” an element of hope emerges. The adversary does not know how to love, and it does not understand that it is not enough to assure a universal income or to cancel mortgages in order to subjugate the masses and convince them to be branded like cattle. This people, which for too long has endured the abuses of a hateful and tyrannical power, is rediscovering that it has a soul; it is understanding that it is not willing to exchange its freedom for the homogenization and cancellation of its identity; it is beginning to understand the value of familial and social ties, of the bonds of faith and culture that unite honest people.
This Great Reset is destined to fail because those who planned it do not understand that there are still people ready to take to the streets to defend their rights, to protect their loved ones, to give a future to their children and grandchildren. The leveling inhumanity of the globalist project will shatter miserably in the face of the firm and courageous opposition of the children of Light. The enemy has Satan on its side, He who only knows how to hate. But on our side,we have the Lord Almighty, the God of armies arrayed for battle, and the Most Holy Virgin, who will crush the headof the ancient Serpent. “If God is for us, who can be against us?” (Rom 8:31).
Mr. President, you are well aware that, in this crucial hour, the United States of America is considered the defending wall against which the war declared by the advocates of globalism has been unleashed. Place your trust in the Lord, strengthened by the words of the Apostle Paul: “I can do all things in Him who strengthens me” (Phil 4:13). To be an instrument of Divine Providence is a great responsibility, for which you will certainly receive all the graces of state that you need, since they are being fervently implored for you by the many people who support you with their prayers.
With this heavenly hope and the assurance of my prayer for you, for the First Lady, and for your collaborators, with all my heart I send you my blessing.
God bless the United States of America!