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I have a high respect for these two guys, but the more they shoehorn Russia in as the endtime bogeyman and claiming it to be "prophetic," the more incredible they sound. Russia being taught as the endtime bogeyman among prophecy teachers only came about during the Cold War.
Pre-WW2 bible dictionaries had always put Magog at the Asian Steps or the Russian Steps, not on Russia itself. The Russian Steps is where you find these Turkic nations of Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, etc. These were the people who came down to Anatolia, conquer Byzantium and form the Ottoman Empire, the 7th empire in Rev 17:9-11 that came after Rome, the 6th. This 7th empire was dismantled jointly by the Brits and the French in 1924, but will soon be revived as the 8th according to the passage.

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Anyone who considers Islam as just another peace loving religion should educate themselves.

Hadith 9-5, among many other sections of the Koran, calls for the displacement or death of infidels.

The Christian "Old Testament," is sometimes called equivalent.. It is not. The Old Testament tells us who WE are: violent, short sighted, vengeful.

New Covenant, as the current active call to Christians, tells us who God is, and ONLY calls for us to love God and ALL humans.

Hadith 9-5 is among Mohammed's last words, and is the CURRENT active call to Muslims. And Taqiyya is their call to lie to promote Islam.

Islam has killed more human beings in history than almost any other force, disease, philosophy, dictator or country, and the beheadings continue today.

Sharia is totally inconsistent with our Constitution. ALL true believer Muslims must be deported. Not only “violent” Muslims are dangerous!

Satan is Allah, the Principality of the Air, and Mohammed was his disciple. Islam is the word for "submit." The "religion of peace" teaches its followers to lie and murder, making peace a lie, only justified when no Christian is left.

Only then will those followers of Islam realize their fate to never again see the face of God. We will see them finally in despair unknown on Earth and mourn for them.

I'm persuaded that these 3 verses are talking about the same group of nations. "Terrible of the nations" means military mights. The US would top that list. We have many examples in the bible where God uses third parties to accomplish his will.

It would be a likely toss up between the US Navy Seals, the British SAS, the Russian Spetsnaz, the CCP's PLASOF, the Indian Garuda Commandos, etc on who captures and dispatches "the Assyrian" first. Sadly, the story doesn't end there. After they fulfill the task, there is an allusion that these will be turning on each other in a short (45 days - ref Dan 12:11-12) but devastating all out - apparently nuclear - war. I believe this is the part that will need to be "cut short" or "no flesh will be saved."

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The Cold War mentality dies hard.

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