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**Didn't really know where to put this--not loving the group-level posting system yet. But, this post is about viewing the far left and the non-far left through a couples therapy lens. Essentially, we have two ideological sides in the USA and presumably any western country. Do we have a framework for understanding what's happening to us, and can we use our knowledge of couples and families to heal the injuries that have led us here? Here are some of my thoughts on what this looks like

The left in our divided country reminds me of people in relationships that are stuck who keep elevating the threat to get their partner back under control. It's VERY unsuccessful. In therapy, you have to de-escalate the attempts to control and create the safety for the partners to again see each other as sovereign individuals who CHOOSE to partner together. Ultimately, both partners want to be chosen again and assured they won't be left alone.

But, things are greatly complicated when there's physical or (real) emotional abuse. And, it looks to me like the left has become an abuser in the relationship. It's standard practice to not treat couples in couples therapy when there are power dynamics at that level. Good counselors will not agree to work on the relationship as a couple until there is no more coercion through abuse. Both partners are encouraged to seek individual counseling to deal specifically with the abuse.

Obviously, people divorce. And, that seems to be the question we're facing--or heading toward. I have to admit it looks to me like my partner (the left) has become someone I may no longer want to partner with. However, you really have to de-escalate the reactivity before you can make that assessment. Is there something remaining on which to base a relationship?

In relationships that are stuck, there's an ugly cycle, where one partner gets triggered--let's say there's a spat, and one partner retreats--goes into another room--escapes the situation. That action triggers the other partner's abandonment issues, who then chooses to pursue and criticize. Well, nobody likes to be criticized, so the criticized partner who initially bailed gets triggered and retreats even further ('avoiding the conflict'😉, but by retreating further, it triggers the critical partner, who then doubles down on the criticism. It's an inescapable negative cycle that leaves both partners feeling alone in a state of fight, flight, or freeze. NOT FUN. The interesting part is how each action triggers the other partner. That's how we become stuck, and it leaves us feeling stuck and helpless and hopeless. Over the years, ouch.

The goal in counseling is to get the partners to see the particular cycle that they get into, name it, and see that the particular argument (content) isn't really what's important. It's getting stuck in that cycle that's the problem, but what we SEE is usually finances or differences in child rearing or work distribution, etc.--all of those little annoyances we gripe about. THOSE ARE NOT THE ISSUE! Those are just how we expose the issue (though we never think about it that way). Once you can recognize what's going on, we can slow it all down. Say, you know what? I usually leave right now. I want to run. But, I'm going to stay here with you and hear you. And, the critical one can say, Man, this is where I always start criticizing you, but it never gets better when I do--it gets worse. So, I'm not going to do that this time. I'm going to give you the space to talk, and I'll listen.

Anyway, simplified version. There's more to it, but that's a pretty good start in helping couples reconnect and even heal attachment injuries.

SO, the question is, is that in any way helpful to think about how we can bridge this divide between groups of people in the country? Clearly, we trigger each other, so put a check by that one. We feel disconnected--maybe even we feel our country pulling apart at the seams. Is that a big deal? Can our one country be 2 countries, or 50 countries in the case of the USA? What happens after the split? Does each piece form its own 2-party system? Will that ultimately lead to other splits? Can our country work past this blockage because it's more emotional and less ideological than we conceptualize it to be? I don't have the answers, but I'm always trying to piece this thing together, and I wonder what it would take for us to be one nation again. Anyway, thoughts?

chuckpo 8 Apr 25
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Interesting way of thinking through the divide. is far as couples therapy goes it’s not possible to heal the divide without forgiveness. Sometimes people are offensive and the hurt exists until forgiveness is granted. It is helpful for the offender to apologize. But it’s not needed to forgive . I’m sure this could go along way in healing our political divide as well. I think it’s a matter of the heart .

Good point. But, how do you bring a bunch of ppl to that place? Couples therapy with an affair can easily take a year or more. Mostly more, and that's with weekly sessions. Plus, the secular side thinks forgiveness--in the way we're using it--is a church word. They don't like things they consider to originate from the church.

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Good in-depth analogy and it brings up many valid similarities between a dysfunctional couple and our divided nation.

Being more than a little susceptible to incongruous imagery, I did get a mental image of Social Justice Warriors wearing wife-beaters.

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Therapy is one idea, using to explain a way to communicate, but has a mediator, in political ideology you have no mediator. The media is used as a mediator, in the past using media to antagonize polititians and communicate to citizens worked, but in these times the media has put it's controller's ideology into the communication leaving a closed debate. Education is a major problem, students were taught to look at facts, analyze and think ahead. Watching education change to deciding what facts to teach and restricting students open exploration of causes and ideas has added to the selfrightiousness of some politicians that have lead to the conflicts we have now. It seems in debate most use what they learned as students in sports, the best defense is a good offense, which in debating the attacks and insults leaves ideas out and closes debate. With IDW being an open platform to discuss subjects is good being who starts a subject is moderator to keep comments in line and lead to finishing discussion. We should state grievances and discuss how to resolve as a therapist would have you do.

Fair points. I'm looking for a way for couples to be able to create the safety that's needed to work through the problems. A therapist traditionally creates that safety and guards it in session. But, people don't want to pay for therapy. So, what they're getting in the self-help stuff is not helping, in general.

So, along that same line, is there something we can write that will create some safety in 'debate'? Well, there are some things already in existence that are designed to keep the snark contained. Ultimately, it comes down to our own character and our motivation to maintain the safety of the other person. It's possible. I don't know how likely.

Reasoning isn't going to do it, and it doesn't do it in therapy. Logic almost never works in actual sessions. Something's missing, and the more emotional one is almost always dissatisfied.

In forums such as this I find the safety is held as long as I'm willing to let barbs pass without returning fire. Not easy to do. Other authors also let stuff go by unaddressed. But, this isn't everyone. And, it may not be half. That leaves the onus for peace on a few people's shoulders and allows others to skip their own responsibility and just be knobs.

It's not easy.

@MilesPurdue
I like your point that the Media isn't much of a therapist / mediator.

@chuckpo
I can see that in purely emotional conflicts, logic cannot be used to resolve them.
But at least with couples there must be at least some desire to resolve the problem.

With the Politics of Envy / Division, in many instances I don't think people want to resolve the problem... they want to magnify it.
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I'm not advocating what happens in the novel... I just despair that if you can't use logic to communicate, how do you communicate with other supposedly rational people?
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@An_Ominous, this is a rough area for we that value reason over emotion. I fear we've sacrificed a piece of what we are. In choosing emotion over reason, emotional ppl have sacrificed a piece of themselves too. Having 2 different lenses and languages doesn't help. But, the trick is probably not to choose either over the other. The trick is to speak in both languages according to the relevant lens.

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