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A politician is a man who approaches every problem with an open mouth.
— Adlai Stevenson (1900–1965)

Krunoslav 7 Sep 16
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Another rule of politics is tell lies and stick with them until everyone thinks they're true.
[ Goebles circa 1930's to 45. ]

angelo Level 7 Sep 16, 2020

Propaganda machine, yes.

“Comrade, your statement is factually incorrect.”
“Yes, Dimitri, it is. But it is politically correct.”

“The point of Political Correctness is not and has never been merely about any of the items that it imposes, but about the imposition itself. Tacit collaboration by millions who bite their lip is even more essential than lip service by thousands of favor seekers. Hence, to stimulate at least passive cooperation, the party strives to give the impression that “everybody” is already on its side. ”

― Angelo Codevilla (The Rise of Political Correctness)


Just like lefties today have convinced people that being female is the same as being feminist. or that being gay is the same as being LGBTxw or however letters they added this week. Or that Trans----formers are something not crazy. if you repeat it enough times even whole of America can become systemically racist indeed.

In Hitler times Goebles was what CNN and NYT and all those lefty activist media companies are today. Fuel the hate, repeat lies, and make it seems like everyone agrees.

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An open mind is generally difficult to find in a politician.
Like any president besides Trump . Being nominated twice for a Nobel. Would have them hanging in his office among unanimous support.. TDS suffering individuals should be made to wear an orange ribbon. 🥴

Any American president before Trump is a big claim. Any recent president before Trump. I would agree.

As for Nobel Peace Prize nomination, I don't think people should put much effort into that idea, either side. After all , Hitler was nominated for Nobel Peace Prize as well. Its a partisan prize for purpose of bragging rights, but considering how political Nobel thing is , its like wining Oscar these days. I would not worry about it one way or the other.

@Krunoslav
That is a fact I was not aware of Hilter, nominated.. wow..
Good point though. I guess it's just frustrating when objectively good things are being achieved. Like the middle east peace accord. Calling back troops from needless wars..
In yet Still orange man bad...

@Seriousreason You know I think that is the motivation for Trump. Getting that appreciation for all he does, one day. I think that is what keeps him going. Assuming the crazy radicals don't win, history books are written by the victors, so lets make sure we win and than we can give president Trump his credit, where credit is due. He is a paradoxical leader, but such is the nature of the beast. They all are. they all have good and bad points. Overall I have to agree with you. Trump is a moderate and centrist with politics, and has a big mouth which serves him well in cultural war, but its far from ideal. In a different more sane time, he would not be Twitter president, it would be seen as undignifying.

I think that is what some people judge him for, I see it as part of what was his victory. So for better or for worse, he is far better than any current alternative. Far better. Will it be enough for wining culturally and politically against the lefty religion, I think not. I don't mean the election, I think he will be elected. I mean pushing back on all the cultural fronts, is too much to expect from one men and especially one that is moderate/centrist and still plays by old rules.

Just my 2 cents.

@Krunoslav Your two cents is well worth much more! Thanks

@Krunoslav So true.. I have a lot of faith in the silent majority. I feel even with all the turmoil & bitterness going on currently. Marxist indoctrination among the self identified " " oppressed". Sowing seeds of division. Their is a major percentage wanting Harmony.
We have to be on the right side of history. To lose to a bitter resentful minority of ingrates. Just can't happen..
I hear some red pilled Judge , presiding over arrested rioters in Winchester.. Demanded a million dollars bail from each offender.
Then a bad judge charging Kyle Rittenhouse with murder. Where's the justice. ?

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@Seriousreason Roots of corruption run deep. It is a religious uprising on the left, a toxic combination of many ideas but Marxist class consciousness and alienation theory run trough it. And its religious in its world view, dogmatic in its approach to everything, highly intolerant and unstable in all but parasitic activity. Sucking the tit of America. There are clearly two completely different perceptions of reality in America, and with media pumping hatred daily , we are seeing now executions of cops and those that dare wear different uniform.

If I didn't know any better I would say America is in Civil War II, that no one is prepared to openly declare, at least not in public... yet. Short of complete victory, I don't see either side surviving. There cannot be two such completely different worldview in the same country. Either a split in two or complete victory of one side. Like in first Civil War. Or any other.

That is what worries me about Trump. He is too civilized to go in full offensive. And if he does he would be labeled as dictator by many Enemies of America and off course the left. And so he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

I know one thing if Kamala Harris were to get to power. You can be sure she would have no hesitation to do all the things the left accuses Trump and far worse. That women is a snake, a sadist , you can see how much she enjoys abusing political power. No consciousness. A true sociopath. For all our sakes, I hope America never allows someone like her near seat of power, but on the other hand when I see how close she is to presidency, even when she was hated by both sides in the primaries. Like eventually Hitler came to power using corruption, support from some politicians and intimidation and propaganda to use democracy to get elected and than said I'm now your Führer. Seeing how Kamala danced with orgasms of sadistic joy, laughing maniacally in her usual fashion at even the though of becoming president, when Biden chose her as running mate, scares me. That woman is power hungry and sadistic. She wants that seat of power, so bad and she can almost taste it. Her track record of corruption and sadistic abuse of power is well known to both sides. But democrats do not care. They are anti American party now.

All the major cities seem to be in terrible shape and all run by corrupt democrats. Like L.A. NYC. Seattle, Portland etc. And all the media almost and almost all the universities are preaching Critical Race Theory. Already there are two state supported terrorist organizations with what seems to be full financial , political support. Antifa and BLM I mean.

What can law abiding Trump do in four years even if he is in office? Not much. Unless he goes full on in the offensive , I see him only slowing down the invaluable take over of the radicals.

Off course there could be civil war and not revolution or cue. And we could see in civil war , the patriotic Americans win. Lucky lefty radicals still don't have control of the military. But that might be the best thing, Since the left won't stop advancing or negotiate and they clearly don't follow the rules of constitution, I don't see anything stopping them short of official civil war, in which case on competency alone and access to military I would favor the patriots.

But that is just my impression based on what I've been following in culture war and drawing parallels with historic lefty ideologues. There are many X factors so I would not want to be one trying to predict anything with any certainty. All this could change tomorrow if we see some kind of big event that shifts the tide. No one really could have seen X factor of Covid -19, but that is life. Just like few times in history black plague and other such pandemics decimated Europe and Asia, just when military and political leaders were in the middle of their campaigns. And just like that everything changes.

I'll be watching American politics closely, since whatever happens will be felt in every corner of the world. one way or the other.

@Krunoslav
You certainly put that well . I couldn't agree more with those observations of objective fact.. In the words of ABL . " Finish that up with a nice bow on top.. ".
" Heels up Harris'". Is certainly a demented & power hungry woman. With the MSM & screaming radical leftists defending her potential crime's against humanity, given any power. She would cause unfathomable carnage.
Your point regarding Democrat run major cities being run into the ground. So valid .5. governors including Gavin Newsom , Cuomo, & Gretchen Whitmar, amoung them are responsible for 40% of all American Covid19 deaths......But Trump at fault..

@Seriousreason Yup. Hate is one of the most accessible and unifying agents, and what unifies left is Orange Man Bad. Hatred of Trump. Mass Trump Derangement Syndrome. Cue in your memes. lol

@Krunoslav
Strange , that before he ran for President.. Trump was a respected NY billionaire, Showed his true colors on 9/11 heroic , on the scenes praising first responders. Rap singer's even sang about being like Trump..
What happened????

@Krunoslav I forget, what was it that Obummer did to get his Nobel?????????????

@Serg97 You mean Obama? I think he was black. No more and no less. Like Oscars. That is all you need. For such is the religion of identity politics.

@Seriousreason What happened? Well I heard a theory once.

Apparently CNN offered Trump his own show before 2016 and before Trump gets elected. He declined it. When Trump run for president, all the lefty media saw his as easy target to ridicule , confident Hilary will win. So they made one article after another , how Orange Man Bad. What they didn't realize at first, is that any press is good press in today's politics, so he was partly elected because they did all the campaign ads and marketing for him. His name was everywhere, remember? They gifted him, millions of not billions of dollars of free ads with all those articles and all the social media buzz they sparked.

After he got elected, at first they were shocked. but they saw opportunity in this. CNN is probably best example. They turned Orange Man Bad, click bait outrage driven articles into cottage Industry. Its probably the only thing they write about. Most don't even fully believe it, but it became a new business model. And other media soon followed. Trump tweets.... followed by storm of articles about it, and Trump benefits because everyone knows his name and speaks it 20 times a day in every household. And lefty media gets traffic and add revenue from outrage easy to write articles, that basically quote tweet from trump and write some lefty nonsense why Trump is literally Hitler.

But this constant media obsessions with Trump also was used by radicals to unify true believers and useful idots, into a single cause even the dumbest lefty street rioter could understand. If Trump gets elected we will all suffer, he is devil himself, we must stop him at all cost. And so he became avatar for the antagonist in their story.

The moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt, in a speech at the American conservative think tank Manhattan Institute, criticized the theory by saying:

[In intersectionality] the binary dimensions of oppression are said to be interlocking and overlapping. America is said to be one giant matrix of oppression, and its victims cannot fight their battles separately. They must all come together to fight their common enemy, the group that sits at the top of the pyramid of oppression: the straight, white, cis-gendered, able-bodied Christian or Jewish or possibly atheist male. This is why a perceived slight against one victim group calls forth protest from all victim groups. This is why so many campus groups now align against Israel. Intersectionality is like NATO for social-justice activists.

And Trump is the profile picture, an avatar of the ultimate Straight White CIS male. A picture they have in their mind of what their cause is. At least the dumb ones do. But I think that is what happened. The opportunistic media turned him into source of income, and ideologues made him into the visual target for the kind of people they hate. So each of them could take all the worse attributes and attach it to the image of Orange Man.

Today what lefties call the truth , we call Trump Derangement Syndrome. or TDS for short.

“It is startling to realize how much unbelief is necessary to make belief possible. The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world. Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.” ― Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

And Trump is the devil in their story.

Just a theory. 🙂

@Krunoslav
That certainly put the anti Trump hysteria into perspective..
Its absolutely true that left wing media have ridden the hate Trump revenue wave . For four years & counting.
Many of the deep seated hater's have so much TDS that . Your right. He could Cure cancer say. & Those who are in it for the duration. Will deny reality. Good is bad , up is down.. clown world. 🤡🌏 Folks. Clown world..

@Seriousreason Hashtag Clown World.

Indeed. Keep calm, lunatics are running the asylum. And guards are locked up behind the wall of censorship, political correctness and corrupt officials. When you make debate impossible, you make escalation inevitable.

@Krunoslav
Proves how damaging to the actual fabric of healthy debate & discourse. The current refusal to disguss topics is . When one side considers the other beyond reproach. Very little is gained. The civil war currently being fought. Is nothing like the North South battles of old..
It's a war of ideology .. identify politics vs societal cohesion.. The oppressor , oppressed dynamic will create nothing but hate & jealousy.. Tribalism survives only by demonizing Those that are different . Never ends well.

@Seriousreason Yes. That is why I hate identity politics where person is judged based on how he is born and now what he does with what he is born with.

There is no way to sugarcoat how bad this is for our society. It is thought control pure and simple. And it is systemic. It is not merely lack of grace on the part of a few muddle-minded professors, but the corruption of our institutions of higher learning.”

“As existentialists as Jean-Paul Sarte learned, radical individualism can be a dead end for social justice. It is not easy to establish a coherent ideology of social justice based solely on the radical freedom of the individual. Unlike Sarte, who eventually escaped into Marxism, postmodernist philosophers reject communism. But they do find refuge in the New Left, in which Marx's old economic class warfare has been replaced with identity-cultural warfare. This transformation gives them a way out of the individualist-relativist trap in which they found themselves. Instead of the proletariat, it is now cultural identity groups that are being oppressed. It is not workers but races, women, and ethnic and sexual minorities who are the new revolutionaries. Unlike classic Marxists, for whom class consciousness is a social phenomenon economically determined, identity theorists define it as a psychological phenomenon manifested in the culture. Identity solidarity is the equivalent of class consciousness, only it has no objective foundation, economic or otherwise, other than the perception of mutual grievance based on identity.”

“If artificial order on civilization is with brute force. The only way to make something unnatural appear to be natural is to force everyone to think alike.”

“The popular culture has also lowered the threshold on public shaming rituals. It is not only suppressing certain speech on college campuses, but making public denunciation of certain classes of people into a form of popular entertainment."


“The French Revolution gave history its first instance of modern leftist illiberalism -- an embrace of tyranny in the name of the people. All the symptoms were there: the use of coercion against the individual in the name of the public good; a fierce close-mindedness and the suppression of dissent; the appeal to romanticized, utopian myths to justify ruthless acts in the name of "the people"; and a complete rejection of the moderate Enlightenment's respect for narrowly defined (largely negatively defined) individual rights and the rule of law. Over 40,000 people were executed in less than a year during the Terror, some 17,000 by the guillotine. Tyrants had existed for millennia before the French Revolution, but what made the new dictators in Paris different, and historically dangerous, was that they committed their illiberal acts in the name of liberalism itself.”

“Jefferson's ambivalence toward the French Revolution matters. As a key founder of the American republic, he bridges the moderate and radical Enlightenments. He tried to have it both ways. At times he was a fire-breathing radical. At others, as a U.S. minister to France for example, he was a cool voice counseling constitutional monarchy for France. Given his later views about desolating "half the earth" for the republican cause, he might have been expected to take a more radical position. But in practice he did not. Instead, as American minister he advised the French revolutionaries to "secure what the [French] government was now ready to yield" -- namely, freedom of the press, freedom of conscience, habeas corpus, and a representative legislature, because "with the exercise of these powers they would obtain in [the] future whatever might be further necessary to improve and preserve their constitution". Jefferson was a pragmatist when he had to be. His rhetoric was sometimes bloodthirsty, but as a government official -- as minister to France, governor of Virginia, secretary of state, and as president -- he never indulged himself in bloody purges of violence.”

“[W]hat is historically new is the alliance with the cultural left. Back in the 1960s, many economically minded New Deal liberals and even socialists wanted nothing to do with the cultural warriors of the New Left, thinking them shallow and feckless. No more. There is today not much distance between the postmodern cultural leftists and the democratic socialists like [Bernie] Sanders who want to focus mainly on economics. The two sides can run afoul of each other, as Sanders did at a Netroots Nation conference in July 2015 when black activists shouted him off the stage. But these disputes have more to do with different priorities than with ideological divisions. Philosophically there is not much daylight between Sanders and the hard-core cultural warriors of the post-modern left. The same is true for Hillary Clinton. She, in fact, tries to appeal to both sides at the same time. She sells herself not only as a postmodernist feminist candidate who will be the first female president of the United States, but as a classic fighter for the economically downtrodden. The fusion has been the strength of her candidacy, because is represents the broadest appeal to all the constituents of the Democratic Party.”

― Kim R. Holmes, The Closing of the Liberal Mind: The New Illiberalism's Assault on Freedom


“The concept of “social justice,” which purports to promote equality among the lines of gender and ethnicity, is based on intersectional feminist theory. Per the theory, certain classes of people are naturally oppressors, while others are victims. There’s nothing more divisive than that.” ― Ian Miles Cheong

“Oddly enough the left’s culture war of hating white people has only made them more likely to vote for anyone other than the left....Lefties like to believe that they lost because the voters who picked the other side are bad people....But maybe they just don’t like being hated....the white man is the devil. It’s also the core belief of the progressive left....People won’t vote for you if you hate them” ― Daniel Greenfield

“The great liberal betrayal of this generation is that in the name of liberalism, communal rights have been prioritized over individual autonomy within minority groups. And minorities within minorities really do suffer because of this betrayal.” ― Maajid Nawaz, Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue

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A politician is also a person who can speak for an hour and more and say nothing!

angelo Level 7 Sep 16, 2020

Indeed. Second rule of politics: "Control the narrative. Never answer the question that is asked of you. Answer the question that you wish had been asked."

— Robert McNamara (1916-2009), former CEO of Ford Motor Company, U.S. Secretary of Defense and President of the World Bank, quoted from the docuemantry The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara (2003)

Dodging the Question

The mark of a true politician is that he is never at a loss for words because he is always half-expecting to be asked to make a speech. ― Richard Nixon (1913-1994), 37th U.S. President from 1969 until 1974 and the only president to resign from the position.

@Krunoslav Watching that Biden mouthpiece on a Fox News clip about Biden using a teleprompter.
The art of making a lot of noise without actually saying anything was illustrated well.. Projection is a tactic in full use. & Plenty of deflection.