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LINK How QAnon uses satanic rhetoric to set up a narrative of 'good vs. evil'

In front of a TV audience on Oct. 15, President Donald Trump declared that he knew “nothing about” QAnon, before correcting himself to say: “I do know they are very much against pedophilia.”

What he didn’t do was disavow what has been referred to as a “collective delusion.” Part of that could be down to QAnon followers holding up Trump as some sort of savior – someone playing four-dimensional chess against shadowy political insiders and power players known as the “Deep State.”

But that is only part of what Anons – followers of QAnon – believe. What Trump didn’t mention is the atrocious claims that underlie this supposed chess match, and the demonic imagery and language that are used in the course of the conspiracy.

JacksonNought 8 Oct 21
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It would be helpful if this author knew what he was talking about. So the guy doesn't believe in demons...nor evil? He turns a blind eye to pedophilia, denying it's a problem? Of course, he's a scholar?

dmatic Level 8 Oct 21, 2020

Demons don't exist. Making up wild conspiracies about Hillary Clinton eating babies in a pizza parlor does nothing but distract from real child abuse issues. Focus on the Catholic Church, child brides, and kids in cages at the southern border - no matter who started it.

@JacksonNought That's exactly what I mean. You need to be able to separate what Q says, from any of the others. Q isn't the anons that follow. Who said anything about Clinton eating babies?

@dmatic that is quite literally what QAnon is about. It is a conspiracy theory that the Democratic party is full of Satanic cannibals who are trafficking children and conducting Satanic rituals to harvest their "adrenochrome" which acts as tonic for immortality. It says that Pizzagate is real and they were operating a trafficking network under a DC area pizza restaurant. It says that JFK Jr is still alive and hiding behind the scenes to infiltrate these networks. It says that Trump was ordained by god to take down these people, and that quite literally everything he does is some sort of 20D chess move to combat them - the Russia probe was a cover so he could recruit Bob Mueller to fight on his side, any time he slurs his speech or makes a typo on Twitter it is actually a coded message to his followers, etc.

That is what QAnon is.

@JacksonNought ... Dem-splains Qanon to a site for free thinkers. Never actually went to a Qanon site to confirm alleged actions are taking place

@RobD1 I am not a Dem. That's your first error.

You can look at QAnon and take from it whatever you want. But that is literally the Q narrative.

@JacksonNought Sorry, but you have been misinformed. Do you even know what an anon is? Do you know who Q is?

@dmatic if reports were correct, Q is 8chan owner Jim Watkins.

Please then, do enlighten me on what QAnon followers think.

@dmatic, @RobD1

@JacksonNought Q is Q, and nobody I know knows who that is. Qanons are followers of Q, who try to interpret what Q 'drops', so there are all sorts of theories and interpretations. Q started posting on 4Chan Oct of 2017, and has since had about 5,000 'drops'. Q encourages those who are interested to investigate this or that, whatever Q is talking about cryptically sometimes....to educate followers as to what is going on and why. Those who believe and follow MSM and such shows as 60minutes, are very often deceived, as, I might add, are many "anons" who may not know what they are talking about. A popular theory recently about who Q is was denied by Q, so....

Q has given a lot of people hope, however, that the sinister forces that are conspiring against our country, and in cahoots with many other conspirators, are not operating in a vacuum, with no resistance. Hope is a good thing.

@dmatic ok, then please tell me what you interpret Q to be about. What is your belief? Do you believe in Satanic cabals and adrenochrome? Child trafficking rings?

@dmatic here's a fun one, where there is a claim that Hillary is on video torturing and eating a baby.

@JacksonNought Let me ask you a question, first. Do you know what the English word, conspiracy, means? And, if so, what do you think it means?

@JacksonNought What do you know about Jeffery Epstein?

@dmatic

Conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

Theory: contemplation or speculation.

Conspiracy Theory: a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.

About Epstein, I don't have full knowledge of all the events, but he seemed to be a wealthy elite running a pedophile ring and being protected by high ranking members of government and high society. After finally getting arrested, he died mysteriously, and many people believe he was killed so he couldn't rat on important people. From my perspective, all sorts of people cavorted with him - Clinton and Trump included. I have no doubts that there are elites out there engaging in despicable acts, including child abuse and trafficking. Once you throw in some wacko theory about Satanists and adrenochrome, or Trump being mastermind sending out coded messages and trying to take town corruption that he is very much guilty of, you've lost me.

@JacksonNought I don't mean to lose you. Some things are very hard to believe. It speaks well of you that you find some things that people may do beyond the pale. It is, for example, hard for me to believe that anybody would take children from foster homes, where they wouldn't be terribly missed, I suppose, and harvest their blood after they've induced them to terrible fear so that their blood is coursing with adrenaline, so that they may ingest the blood into themselves! But, apparently, there are people that are "in" to that sort of thing? Q has, by the way, denied that JFK Jr. is still alive....but, that doesn't seem to matter to some so-called anons.....confirmation bias and all that.

@jacksonNought your use of Hollywood and progressive news media to Demsplain Qanon for you is adorable.

shout to the roof tops that Pedos don’t exist the day after Hunter Biden pics containing him snorting coke off the asses of underage prostitutes are published along with corroborated sources that he was big Joes bag man

doo go on...

If the dems didn't have a straw man they’d have no man at all.
my sincerest apologies for assuming the gender of your effigy.

@dmatic once again, where is the evidence for this? Why has Q dropped information that certain people would be arrested which never came to fruition. You can't just dismiss all of the failures as "willful misinformation". as you said, it's extremely hard to believe the things that are being said, and that is usually because those things do not happen.
Occam's razor - It makes more sense that this is a smear campaign to support Trump rather than an actual cabal of adrenochrome harvesting Satanists.

I lived through the Satanic Panic, and the parallels are staggering. I will point you to the article I wrote on this site about it: [slug.com]

@JacksonNought Thanks, Jackson. Interesting article. I can definitely understand your skepticism. I am, at present, an imperfect follower of Jesus the Christ, otherwise known as Yahshua ha Mashiach, or the Son of God. I, too, tired of all the blame and power so-called Christians were giving to Shatan, the devil or serpent...as they were seeing demons around every rock and corner, in the nineties or eighties...It was almost as if they seemed to think the devil more powerful than God!

Anyway, It would be good if all of us knew all the "facts" about everything, but, as we're seeing, even in politics, nobody seems to be trustworthy enough to not be infected with their own confirmation bias and agenda driven reporting. So, what are we to do as we hear all sorts of things purported to be facts?

You wrote: "One of the weirdest things about all the Q stuff is the deification of Trump as some god-ordained mastermind trying to end corruption from within, when he is in fact more corrupt than the lot of them." Not sure where you get your "facts", but am pretty sure "deification" is not held by most Trump supporters, who do love him, even though you seem to discount that fact. If you care to hear my personal testimony, I will happily share it, as it relates to God using Trump.

You then wrote: "At first the Q theories were to be laughed at and ignored, much like Flat-Earth theory or Alex Jones' belief that the government puts chemicals in the water to turn “frogs gay” – however, the Q following has grown exponentially since its emergence, and is starting to become dangerous. Just last week President Trump publicly embraced the conspiracy, refusing to disavow the unbelievable leaps in logic, and called Q followers “people who love our country.” Several Q Anon followers running for Congressional office have won their primaries and will be on the ballot in November, including Q super-fan Marjorie Taylor Greene, who received congratulations from Trump in a Tweet. There have been several cases in the news the past few years of kidnappings, murders, and other acts of terrorism by Q supporters, acting on their belief that they are taking down “the cabal” – the original “Pizza-gate” conspiracy resulted in a man walking into the accused restaurant and firing an assault rifle. It is also being reported by several prominent organizations which combat human trafficking, such as The Polaris Project, that these unsubstantiated Q theories are actually hurting their efforts by pulling away resources and distracting from real cases of trafficking and abuse. Q Anon is nothing more than a new era of Satanic Panic, and it won't stop until innocent lives are destroyed from baseless accusations, and the country backslides into religious authoritarianism."

Mocking and laughing at and/or ridiculing is a common response to "unbelievable claims", employed by the smug who view themselves as smarter than the average conspiracy theorist, and who think they've got all things pertaining to existence figured out. But, what if they are wrong? What if some of the theories are true? Many people believe lies, sadly. Many are deceived. Many think they can trust their local MSM sites or stations. The censorship being employed by MSM, Facebook, You-tube and Twitter seems to be evidence that something is very wrong. Some people even trust themselves to be able to discern truth when they see it, not knowing the incredible power of deception and such things as the aforementioned confirmation biases.

In my case, I try to listen, even to the dull and ignorant, for they, too, have their story, as I try to navigate this confusion laden trail while searching for truth. Truth will set us free from the lies, of course. I try to make sure my "beliefs" line up with Truth. So, in my case, I have not concluded the trial of all sorts of things, including Q, but I certainly try to keep an open mind, knowing that I have been deceived in the past, thinking I knew...

@dmatic keeping an open mind is fine. But much like what happened in the Satanic Panic, are you going to destroy peoples' lives and lock innocent people in jail for decades because some anonymous people on the internet accused them, without any evidence, of horrible crimes?

Occam's Razor comes into play here. You may have your own opinions on Q, but the majority of followers parrot the same narrative. Is it really easier to believe that Hillary Clinton is on video eating a baby in frazzled.rip (despite the fact that .rip files are audio only) and that elite Hollywood celebrities and members of the DNC are torturing children in Satanic rituals to harvest some chemical they could just buy? Or is it easier to believe some anonymous people on the internet are spouting off ridiculous conspiracies most likely in an attempt to smear Trump's opposition and left-wing people in general?

As I say in my article, the parallels with the Satanic Panic are ludicrous, as if no one remembers that era, and how peoples' lives were ruined based on either faulty or non-existent evidence, all of which has been debunked. And as I also said, the big Q narrative that Trump is a mastermind trying to end corruption from within is one of the most mind boggling of them all, as he has certainly engaged in some seedy pedophilia-level behavior before.

@JacksonNought you asked: "...are you going to destroy peoples' lives and lock innocent people in jail for decades because some anonymous people on the internet accused them, without any evidence, of horrible crimes?"
No. Of course not. That would be unjust and illegal. The truth will prevail, however.

Then you asked: "...Or is it easier to believe some anonymous people on the internet are spouting off ridiculous conspiracies..." Not sure that "easy" has anything to do with seeking true understanding. Sometimes the search for truth is hard. But, so what?

Then you make this statement: "...he has certainly engaged in some seedy pedophilia-level behavior before."

Is that a fact, or are you just believing silly accusations from people who are trying to ruin his life?

@dmatic he has bragged about intentionally walking in on naked minors before. He has commented sexually on underage women. He partied with Epstein. He told underage girls he would eventually be dating them. There are mountains of more compelling evidence of Trump being a pedophile or sexual abuser than there are of Hillary Clinton or Tom Hanks eating babies.

@JacksonNought OK. But, to the point, I don't recall Q saying anything about Tom Hanks nor Hilary eating babies. Thanks for the conversation.

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what if there were a main stream equivalent on the left I just CNN’t think of one.

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