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21.03.278.0059Su THE UNBORN HAS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE DNA FROM THE MOTHER OR THE FATHER! GOD has said that he knows that unborn individual from the very moment of conception. {Jeremiah 1:5-7}

Man has no escape from the judgment of GOD at Genesis 3: 17-19; it is evil for women to try escaping the judgment levied upon them as their lot in life in life’s cycle at Genesis 3: 13, 16, 20.

These people that hate the messengers are liken to King Herod’s execution of John the Baptist for telling him what he didn’t want to hear either.

These Catholic youths like Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing nothing more than crying out in the wilderness MAKE THE PATH OF RIGHTEOUSNESS STRAIGHT just like John The Baptist did. That is why they that secretly know their sin respond with hate & disdain for the messengers just like Herod did when reproached by John.

DISCLAIMER: I in no way advocate Catholicism; but the message & motive of these young people is right & just. They are messengers of GOD!

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Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. 6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. 7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: (kjv)
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Genesis 3:13, 16 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? …………………………………………………………………………………………………………
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee………………………………………………….. 20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. (kjv))
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Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (kjv)
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Posted by: TFP Louisiana Feb 5, 2019
“TFP- Louisiana - Crusade for the Unborn”

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I have a slightly different take on the matter, as a Christian and a libertarian.

  • My Christian side does not favor abortion, although it recognizes that in some cases it's necessary.(1)

  • My libertarian side believes that I do not have the right to impose my spiritual beliefs on you. Therefore, I will never vote to outlaw abortion, because you have the right to make that choice.

  • My Christian side believes that your soul's disposition is your business. I can tell you what I think and believe; I can advise you if you ask me; but ultimately, YOU are the one that has to choose. Faith is a deliberate choice. If someone is forcing you into a choice that is not your own, that is not salvation.

I imagine that people will take issue with my position and that's fine. This is my soul and I will live with the consequences of my choices just as you live with yours. And if upon judgment day, God decides that I am not worthy, then at least I will be damned with a clear conscience.


(1) Such as when the pregnancy cannot come to term and will kill both the fetus and the mother if not terminated.

“ My libertarian side believes that I do not have the right to impose my spiritual beliefs on you. Therefore, I will never vote to outlaw abortion, because you have the right to make that choice.” My issue here is that as a libertarian I realize that my rights end when they infringe on the rights of others, the unborn baby is a separate individual with their own set of rights. I see abortion as both immoral and as something that should be illegal in most situations. There are many other issues that I have a moral position against, but do not support a legal position against.

@Mechanic

I heartily agree that you're free to believe as your faith and conscience demands.

In my case, I believe that - both legally and spiritually - the mother (together with the father, hopefully) must make a choice that is theirs to make and no one else's.

In your case, you appear to believe that you are defending the rights of the fetus, even if that means infringing upon the rights of the mother and father to decide. I am not so different, in that I would intercede if a child were being harmed by its parents unreasonably.(1)

Where we differ - if I may be so bold - is in our beliefs as to when the child becomes a being, when it acquires a soul. And that's a debate that scholars have argued for centuries and we certainly aren't going to settle today.

I respect your differences.


(1) Basically, I only believe in intercession on behalf of children, animals, and those who cannot take care of themselves, such as the elderly, the infirmed, or the mentally incapable.

@Alysandir personally I would argue using Leviticus 17 that the blood is the life defining property morally at 7 weeks the baby has its own unique blood separate from the mother.

I appreciate your respectful dissent on this site.

@Mechanic

personally I would argue using Leviticus 17

This is my personal take - which I say to merely express my own thoughts without denouncing the thoughts of others - but I personally do not put much weight in the Old Testament because it is not the Gospel.

The Old Testament is a collection of Hebrew and Aramaic texts, letters, and correspondence in the time before Christ. I believe its purpose to Christians is to provide us with an understanding of what came before Jesus, to provide context and history to His time on earth. But it should not be considered the current word of God.

The Book of Leviticus concerns itself with the legal and social norms of the Jews under Moses. The "old rules," if you will permit me to say. But I believe it contains many things that Christians would find of questionable value, such as animal sacrifices, the various occasions where it is appropriate to stone people to death, and the rules for sleeping with your female slaves. I think it is best considered a work of its time and not something we should be trying to apply to modern Christendom.

So while I respect your using Leviticus as a guidepost for your faith, I do not consider the Old Testament as part of my dogma.

Edited for spelling and clarification.

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