A competent government would give people the option of a doctors variance.

How on earth can you equate a vaccine passport, with a driving license. A driving license is in essence, a license to operate dangerous machinery.

@Haraldson I think you're missing the point about about 'vaccine passports', and the act of compliance.
A driving license indicates competence, not compliance.

@AdrianRainbow

Competency is always an issue in the law. We restrict access to alcohol for example to minors. The argument being that if they had access they would be a danger to themselves and society. I can think of many examples but perhaps the most striking one is that we take children away from incompetent parents. Your rights only exist as long as you are competent enough to meet your social responsibilities.

I'm not in favor of vaccine passports in this case but it doesn't take much imagination to see that with a worse virus it would be foolish to not forcibly restrain some people.

All laws are arbitrary, the standard being what a reasonable person would believe. Many laws such as the age at which you can get a drivers license have arbitrary red lines. Such laws clearly discriminate against those who would be competent at an earlier age.

I have a long winded explanation of why we should accept the principle of a reasonable person accepting arbitrary red lines but I will spare you. It comes down to the American philosophical school of pragmatism. Many of the problems we face are a direct result of continental philosophy based on principle. The influence of continental philosophy is long standing and can be seen in men such as Tomas Jefferson. It is somewhat ironic that he used the words "given to all humans by their creator" as he was an agnostic bordering on atheist. This kind of philosophy ironically traces back to the continental philosophy of naturalism. A naturalistic philosophy will always undermine morality because nature is amoral. That same strand of naturalistic philosophy is currently undermining all of our institutions under the guise of post modernism and neo Marxism. It was the major influence on the French Revolution which made it so chaotic and bloody. Not surprisingly Jefferson became an ardent supporter of the French Revolution. I wouldn't argue that there should have been no French Revolution only that it was not pragmatic. It led to horrors that were totally unnecessary and Chaos that led to Napoleon and millions of unnecessary and pointless deaths.

@wolfhnd Nice waffle, but nobody takes children away from parents for incompetence, they take them away because of abuse, or negligence. I dread to think how much it would cost to take ward of every child whose parent/s were incompetent. Laws pertaining to the use of alcohol also discriminate in favour of those who will still be a menace, to themselves, and to society, regardless of age.
You seem to be blissfully unaware that the 'vaccine' in question is nothing of the sort. It has not been given the statutory 4 stage clinical trials to reach license status, and is still an 'experimental treatment'.
Restricting peoples movements based on whether or not they have complied in an experimental drug trial, is nothing like restricting someones use of 'dangerous equipment' because they have failed a basic competency test, regardless of how much bloviating you do.

@AdrianRainbow

You are blissfully unaware of the precedent you are setting. Two things can be true at the same time. Just because this case may be the wrong one for passports does not mean that the concept is immoral. If your resistance fuels the anti vaxxer movement I think you need to take responsibility for that.

Having a more nuanced position is not bloviating. It is simply recognizing that there are unforeseen consequences to everything you do.

I'm not waffling at all. I clearly stated my position. You choose to ignore it.

I also have serious questions about how much of an "experimental treatment" we are talking about since extensive research into mRNA vaccines have been underway for a decade.

@wolfhnd LOL, HTF did morality get involved in this?
You're just being disingenuous now.
COVID reactive MRNA has not undergone clinical trails, and is a recent development.
Trepanning has been researched for centuries, why don't you try that.

@wolfhnd And you are fucking waffling.

@AdrianRainbow

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@wolfhnd WTF is wrong with you dude, it STILL hasn't had the standard clinical trials, and it's STILL an experimental treatment.