I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect we will have another one - man-made or naturally occurring - in the next few years or so.

@eschatologyguy In the beginning when this began to evolve, a lot of people told me that this is just a test, the real problems will come when they've collected all the data on this one.

@HistoryCorner exactly the real test is coming once all laws on mandatory vaccines are in place

"millions of deaths due to the virus" (COVID) really? I don't think so.

Of those deaths that can be objectively identified as COVID 19 cause for death(which is highly specious in the first place) what percentage of them were otherwise healthy/relatively healthy people under the age of 75 lets say.

Furthermore, how many of those deaths were people who had zero - no - none - nada underlying co-morbid afflictions such as obesity, heart disease, diabetes, lifelong smoking, emphysema, asthma, COPD...and of course advanced age (like over age of 80).

No, the "pandemic" is NOT a pandemic at all and true to form governments all around the globe fomented alarm and fear and are still in the process of amalgamating and consolidating more power for themselves by leveraging the COVID 19 "pandemic" - which is to say they are robbing you and me of our God given rights to liberty...etc etc...

I am born in Australia but I wish I could go to east Timor

@iThink yes no difference in deaths compared to previous years. Look at total deaths.

@Poncho69

Hello idiot making more nonsense I see.
You are an embarrassment to Australia.
Please tell me you are a migrant.

Pandemics do not mean the world population will decrease.
But I'm guessing that the millions of deaths due to the virus means we have more deaths than would otherwise occurred. So logically that means we have less people on the planet than we would have normally had.

@iThink fallen for the conspiranut theories eh... its a pandemic by any measure or definition...

@Lightman Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small,there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research-these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we which to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs-balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage-balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between action of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration

@Poncho69 If you are gonna quote people like Eisenhower at least acknowledge it and no pretend its you.

@Lightman funny how nothing has changed in over 50 years but you take the side Eisenhower warned us about

@Poncho69 I didn't take anyside I just pointed out your continuing stupidity... you do know what quotation marks are for don't you?
You do know about attribution don't you?
Plagiarism?

@Lightman I am a rebel. I don't follow your rules. Sue me.

@Poncho69 No you are an idiot

@Lightman anyone can get a Link to support their beliefs. So I choose not to. My choice. I am sure a dead President won't care I spread his message

@Poncho69 yawn you are such a dope
are you a male or female wannabe Rockstar

If masks work why social distancing. If social distancing works why lockdowns. If lockdown works why vaccinations. If vaccines work why still have to wear masks and social distancing after inoculation

@Poncho69 Dude, it's sarcasm

@A1fredo I know

@Poncho69 sure you do.... ROTFLMAO

Community when lockdown and social distancing and social isolation.

@Poncho69 Underground communities. Anything known by the feudal lords will be crushed.

Most developed nations are losing population, and the population increases in 3rd World countries will be offset by massive mortality as the vaccine starts decimating them.

The so-called population bomb will be a bust, and economies depend on population growth to thrive. We are in for some Earth shattering times.

I am hoping to be taken out early so I do not have to live it.

@TimTuolomne So far vaccines aren't decimating any populations anywhere

@TimTuolomne You appear to be OK with "economies depend on population growth to thrive." As such, you are part of the problem.

@pbuck0145,...so you think it is not simply a fact that economies grow with population. The idea that it is not fact is purely propaganda. And the idea that population is out of control is wrong; yesterday's alarmism. The book “Population Bomb” is now regarded as rubbish. Who is part of the problem?

@Lightman The "vaccine" is human gene modification. Its human GMO. If you think GMO food is a bad idea, you can't possibly believe the "vaccine" has been remotely considered properly for its long term effects on humans, not to mention the philosophy of the concept itself. When was that discussion? Did I miss it? That earth shaking philosophical discussion would have been as big a deal as Darwin's theories. Didn't happen.

@TimTuolomne Does human population on Earth have any limit? Do we need to displace and drive to extinction all other major species?
As you stated earlier, "Most developed nations are losing population.", yet these economies continue to flourish and grow. Population growth is not a prerequisite for economic growth.

Population growth does not benefit the majority of humanity, it only increased the power and wealth of our plutocrats and oligarchs.
Population growth is the root cause of most of today's cultural and political problems.

@pbuck0145. Nice “talking points”. Unfortunately completely wrong.

@TimTuolomne No its not Tim... mRNA is a message carrier it will not alter your DNA or make you less or more human.
[mayoclinic.org]
BTW not all GMO is bad and it is after all just another method of doing what we have been doing for millenia selective breeding.

@Lightman. Yeah, "no deaths acceptable with COVID-19" but "A FEW" are OK with the vaccine. I have zero faith in Health Canada, Dr Fauci, the NIH, WHO nor the Mayo Clinic.

[vimeo.com]

So we transformed ourselves into the PRC based on an error made by NIH and not caught by WHO about case definition, that inflated the death rate between 10 and 16 times.

China’s case definition is more narrow, so their 4600 deaths in a population of 1.3 billion is far lower than the flu makes sense for them, but being a totalitarian regime, they lockdown for any reason. WHO saw the China numbers without noticing the difference in case definition and urged the World to emulate China, which we did without being informed.

The vaccine: the VDPI is not being considered, which is the absolute risk reduction.

So the public is not informed, and can not give informed consent.

@TimTuolomne Vaccines are not mandatory tim....I'm informed and I don't live in a totalitarian state nor do you unless you live in China.
So less hubris eh
As for China don't tell me you believe anything they say.

@Lightman. How about less judgment. What hubris? This is an open site, and I get to say what I know. So do you. If your point is valid, you don't need to throw rocks at me.

@TimTuolomne I call it as I see it Tim... if you can't see your hubris ask someone.... oh you did... haven't thrown any rocks at anyone yet... BTW... don't you think some of your points are exaggerated? I do... hence hubris.

@TimTuolomne Please explain, objectively, what is factually incorrect about my "talking points".

@pbuck0145. Scientific Survey Shows Voters Across the Political Spectrum Are Ideologically Deluded

By James D. Agresti
April 16, 2021
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During the late 1800s when the renowned scientist Louis Pasteur was trying to overturn the medical community’s deadly belief that germs are not communicable, he wrote: “The greatest aberration of the mind is to believe a thing to be, because we desire it.” The results of a scientific survey conducted just after the 2020 presidential election show that voters from across the political spectrum have failed to heed that warning.

The survey, commissioned by Just Facts, reveals that the vast bulk of voters have embraced false and harmful dogmas that accord with their political views. This is a typical consequence of confirmation bias, the human tendency to reflexively accept anything that accords with one’s preexisting beliefs and ignore or twist everything that defies them.

While most polls measure public opinion, this annual scientific survey measures voters’ perceptions of issues that can have major impacts on their lives. This year’s survey used an entirely new set of questions that addressed the topics of Covid-19, income, poverty, racial disparities, global warming, drug overdoses, life expectancy, pollution, and the national debt.

Some illuminating examples of the misconceptions held by voters with differing political preferences include the following:

76% of Trump voters think that the average income of middle-income households fell during the Obama administration. In reality, their inflation-adjusted average income rose by $5,300 during this period.
88% of Biden voters think that police are more likely to use lethal force when arresting black people than white people. In reality, police are 42% less likely to use lethal force when arresting blacks than whites.
The survey also found that a considerable portion of Trump voters have adopted some progressive fallacies spread by the media. For instance, 38% of Trump voters (and 86% of Biden voters) think that the number of strong-to-violent tornadoes in the U.S. has generally increased since the 1950s. In reality, they have slightly decreased.

That disconnect between fact and perception accords with numerous reports that link tornadoes and other extreme weather events to global warming, even though such events have occurred at a roughly level pace for as far back in time as reliable data extends. This suggests that progressive powerhouses like media titans, big tech corporations, and educational institutions have enough reach and influence to mislead large numbers of people who are ideologically opposed to falsehoods they propagate.

The survey was comprised of 21 questions posed to U.S. residents who regularly vote. It was conducted just after the 2020 presidential election by Triton Polling & Research, an academic research firm that applied scientific survey methods to optimize accuracy.

Results for All Voters
For each question, voters were offered a selection of two or more answers, one of which was true. Voters also had the opportunity to say they were unsure.

On average, voters gave the correct answer 38% of the time, gave an incorrect answer 51% of the time, and said they were unsure 10% of the time.

A majority of voters gave the correct answer to only 4 of the 21 questions.

Results by Ideology of Falsehood
Among questions in which the wrong answers accorded with partisan agendas, an average of 57% of answers were liberally misinformed, while 28% were conservatively misinformed. In other words, voters were twice as likely to believe certain progressive myths than conservative ones.

For all 10 of the questions in which the electorate was most deluded, the wrong answers they gave concurred with progressive narratives propagated by the media. Moreover, the false answers they gave were often far removed from reality, not just slightly mistaken. For example, 66% of voters thought that doubling the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour would raise the average income of families in poverty by 25% or more. The real figure is about 1%.

Results by Politics, Age, and Gender
The survey also recorded voters’ ages, genders, and who they voted for in the presidential election. This allows the survey to pinpoint the segments of society that are most and least informed about specific issues. The sample size of third-party voters were too small to produce meaningful data.

The results show deep partisan and demographic divides, with different groups being more or less knowledgeable depending upon the questions.

On average, the rates at which voters gave false answers varied from 61% for Biden voters to 42% for Trump voters. From worst to best, the false answer rates for the various groups are as follows:

61% for Biden voters
56% for 18- to 34-year olds
53% for females
51% for 35- to 64-year olds
51% for 65+ year olds
49% for males
46% for Trump voters
All of the questions, the correct answers, and the full survey results and methodologies are detailed below. The survey was conducted on November 4–11, 2020.

@TimTuolomne An interesting survey and article, but does not address my request:
Please explain, objectively, what is factually incorrect about my "talking points"

My comment was:
Does human population on Earth have any limit? Do we need to displace and drive to extinction all other major species?
As you stated earlier, "Most developed nations are losing population.", yet these economies continue to flourish and grow. Population growth is not a prerequisite for economic growth.

Population growth does not benefit the majority of humanity, it only increased the power and wealth of our plutocrats and oligarchs.
Population growth is the root cause of most of today's cultural and political problems.

Your response was:
Nice “talking points”. Unfortunately completely wrong.

Please point out exactly which "talking point' of mine is incorrect, and how it is incorrect. Use your own words.