Still listening to the mainstream media, I see.

@FrankZeleniuk
Welcome to prove me wrong… war is not a just a numbers game.
History teach us different.
The Russian numbers, just like the Ukrainian numbers are propaganda. Anyone who quotes them are either a fool or trying to fool you.

I am highly critical of all media.

I am often surprised how some who are so critical of western or mainstream media are so gullibly believing social media.

@Hanno See any of this happening in New Zealand. The game may already be won there.

Barack Obama -
"You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage, you just have to raise enough questions, enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing, that citizens no longer know what to believe, once they lose trust in their leaders, the mainstream media and political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of truth - the game's won."

@FrankZeleniuk
In NZ the next election is crucial.
If the population stay asleep and Labour wins a third term, we will go down a path of failure that will take several decades to repair.

Truth is never lost. It is always there,
Never believe what you read…. ESPECIALLY when you agree with it.

@Hanno There are too many things today that I don't agree with or cannot corroborate. If you do happen to agree with something always be willing to consider alternatives that may alter your opinion and be willing to change your mind.

What side is Labour on in the Ukraine war? Would that be enough to have you support Labour?

I have strong convictions about the war in Ukraine. We are hardly being fed the truth by either side. I expect that kind of propaganda tactic from Putin. I don't expect our leaders to be lying to us about almost anything but they are currently more secretive and opaque than Putin. Obama just iterated how the game is won. The war is part of the game but minor in the overall global scheme of things as are the Ukrainians.

@FrankZeleniuk
Our NZ leaders lie to us about everything. And they are blatant about it.

In NZ, Ukraine is not important and not an election issue.
We have much larger local problems. We are being split along race and heading for socialism.

If NZ was of any importance in the world, this forum would be discussing NZ all the time.

NZ labour will just follow whatever the UN/WEF say. We do not send weapons but oppose the invasion. I do not think a change of party will change our view.
In a complex situation such as the Ukraine war, it may not be a bad thing.

I myself do not support either side other than to see the end of war and return to as much freedom for the common people as possible.
However that is another war we are all fighting in our own countries.

@Hanno Well, good luck in your elections. You have to get the WEF/UN out of your politics if you are going to have any honesty restored to government. So does Ukraine.

Your PM Jacinda is the talk of the town she is so progressive much like our idiot Trudeau.

The Conservative Party here is electing a new leader today. A couple of them have promised to do their best to get the WEF out of our politics. Rumors of a fall election are swirling.

With Barack Obama so much as admitting he is fostering the promotion of dishonesty and deceit by way of mis- and disinformation so people don't know what to believe and he can centralize control to bring communism to America. At least, I think that is his goal. He hasn't said what his game is. He just said that's how to win it.