So according to you, if you kill a pregnant woman you're only taking 1 life?

@Tom81 did I say life? No, I said personhood, as was the topic. Personhood grants things like a social security number, life insurance, tax dependency claims for credits, etc. Legally speaking fetuses are not people.

@JacksonNought either way, according to leftist ideology, you don't have a voice here and your opinion doesn't count for shit as you're not pregnant, a parent (thankfully) or intend to be (since you nutured yourself, even if it's undoable). So according to your own ideology, you need to sit down and shut the fuck up, unless you're going to admit that you have double standards, are a hypocrite, have double standards, are duplicitous or just don't really believe the ideology you espouse except for when it's handy to throw shade on your opponents

@Tom81 well then perhaps you shouldn't be talking either?

@JacksonNought are you trying to silence the voice of a POC? That's a sin in your idealogy, is it not?

@Tom81 you don't seem to know what my ideology is. Maybe you shouldn't strawman?

@JacksonNought strawman seems to be your ideology. Your whole persona is built on lies, deceit and fraud. Reality is just too hard for you

@Tom81 go ahead and refute one of my ideologies using logical reasoning or evidence and without strawmanning or whataboutism or ad hominem attacks. I'll wait.

@JacksonNought there's no point in trying to argue with you over the cult ideology (and if logical reasoning or evidence where important to you, you wouldn't espouse those beliefs), as it's not based in reality. Narcissists dissociate (erase memories) a lot (are amnesiac) because their contact with the world and with others is via a fictitious construct: The False Self. Narcissists never experience reality directly but through a distorting lens darkly.
And that's you and your ilk- seeing everything through a distorted lens in your own alternate reality desperately ignoring the truth.Narcissists have to believe their own lies because they’ve constructed their self-perception out of them. If they didn’t believe their own lies it would trigger all of their suppressed painful emotions and compromise their emotional stability.

@Tom81 once again, ad hominems, strawmanning, deflection, etc etc. You have no purpose but outrage culture and shit-stirring.

@JacksonNought nope, it's that you either don't get it or you're willfully ignoring it.
To understand narcissistic personality disorder is to understand the left and all of it's ideologies. And they're all so absolutely empty

@Tom81 nothing but blanket statements and strawmen, yet again. You have no real arguments and no real values. You are either trolling or you are so far down the rabbit hole and brainwashed that you have no original thoughts and just repeat what the talking heads tell you.

@JacksonNought nope, you're wrong again. The false facade has slipped and your ideologies have exposed themselves for what they are (as have you). The only thing you and your side really believe in is gaining power by any means (and as you can't do it through logic, rationality and offering something of value real people want, you have to use; distortions, lies and deceit, fraud, manipulation, sophistry, gaslighting, false victimhood, smear campaigns, threats and violence), to avoid the guilt and shame of being useless broken objects. The left and it's minions can't elevate or produce anything of value, so the only thing they can do is to destroy everything else out of jealousy and envy.
You don't see this because narcissists have no self awareness and can not self reflect as there is no true self, just an empty husk - and the same goes for all your movements. Pathetic and empty but lying to itself that it's superior and desperately trying to control everything around it, so as to maintain the illusion.

@Tom81

your ideologies have exposed themselves

You can't even name my ideologies, so how are they exposed?

The only thing you and your side really believe in is gaining power by any means

Nah, I'm a Leftist. You have me confused with a Right-Winger... you know, the people who want to gerrymander districts and purge voter rolls and close polling centers and prevent early voting and storm the Capitol to get their despot installed. You know, the despot who literally said to toss out the Constitution so that he could be appointed. You know the ones who stole SCOTUS seats and are hellbent on turning the country into a Christian Theocracy?

offering something of value real people want

Like complaining about trans bathrooms and gas grills and Mr Potato head instead of working on infrastructure and healthcare? Like giving the wealthy more tax breaks and bailing out corporations so that they can give executive bonuses and buy back stock while they lay off thousands? Like stealing people's land and wrecking the environment and throwing away taxes to build a pointless crumbling non-functional wall to stop illegal immigration which primarily happens through legal travel and expired visas anyway? Like citing a 17th century jurist who participated in witch hunts and defended marital rape in order to support overturning Roe v Wade, despite the majority of the country supporting it? Like letting the Federalist Society to pick our judges, resulting in the Supreme Court consisting of 7 out of 9 Catholics, despite only 20% of the population being Catholic? Are those all valuable things real people want?

distortions, lies and deceit, fraud

Again, I point you to new Republican golden boy George Santos, who lied about everything from his name to his race to his education in order to get elected. Or the former president and current leader of the Right Wing who lied every time he opened his mouth?

smear campaigns

I guess you've never seen Fox News or Newsmax or any of those other channels, eh?

threats and violence

Like the Republican candidate who was just arrested for paying people to murder Democrats just because he lost his election?

The left and it's minions can't elevate or produce anything of value, so the only thing they can do is to destroy everything else out of jealousy and envy.

Which is why the Right consistently shuts down the government and hurts the economy and regular Americans to support their fringe issues? Which is why the 2020 Republican platform was just "Trump"? Which is why they only try to block and sabotage and take away rights rather than ever trying to actually get real change to happen or proposing solutions? Which is why the Right Wing messiah is the most jealous and petty man you've ever seen?

Yeah... yet again, you fail.

@JacksonNought I failed? At what exactly? There's no point in arguing with a cult member. I know what your ideologies are because all leftists have group-think, behave in the same NPC manner, and narcissists are so similar they may as well have come off the same assembly line.
You want to bring up Republicans - guess what? I don't care because I don't support parties, rather individuals. And I'm no Trump fanboy.
Wanna call me a right winger? No one cares about the left's definitions as they either don't make logical sense, keep changing to suit whatever current narrative they want to support or attack, or they're just outright based on lies and fraud. Real 'right wingers' wouldn't see me as one of them. Either way, your labels are meaningless.

You have nothing, and you are nothing (both in personality and ideology) - which everyone can see. You're manipulation and gaslighting hasn't worked, your false facade hasn't worked, and the only reason people respond to you is to take a steaming shit on you and your ideologies. So who failed? You did

@Tom81 wow look at all those fun buzzwords.

@JacksonNought