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I am looking for help from the community here. I have worked in public education for thirty years. I love my job. Yes, it is getting tougher and tougher to just teach. More on that another time. So far I have not been confronted with a confused child who wants me to use their preferred pronouns despite facts and biology. I am honestly afraid of what may happen in this situation because I just can't bring myself to bow to this idiocy. BUT. And it's a big but. According to Title VII and my school district I must use someone's preferred pronouns or be punished. Quitting is out of the question.

What would you suggest to do if this situation presents itself? I am dead serious, and would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you and God Bless.

FOTD13 7 May 30
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In part it depends on your jurisdiction, and your savings. If you simply stand your ground, and are fired, have the reserves to both sue, and hold you over while you look for schools that aren't obliged to federal regulations?

govols Level 8 May 30, 2023
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Well.. count your blessings you haven't been confronted with this yet...and may you never be.
If you ever are, remember it is entirely political. It has nothing to do with common sense or biology or science. No one can predict what situation you may be confronted with. If someone expresses a preference for pronouns, you can escape that by using proper names. If someone is obviously a certain biological sex and demands to be called a proper name of the opposite sex, as in "a boy named Sue" accept that and make sure his parents are aware of that and call their child by that name.
This is their reality. Never be confrontational unless you wish to "unleash the whirlwind", as Chuck Schumer says. When and if you are confronted with it you will know what to do.

This is a political attack on the family and a part of the Marxist manifesto to break down a society.
The sources of the attacks need to be exposed before anything can be done about it. They are hiding themselves by using proxies, pointing to others as responsible for chaos, and themselves feign innocence. The communists have moved out of Russia and are now squarely planted in western republics. The divisions they are creating in the name of unity are, of course, irrational or nonsensical and trying to reason with those supporting these changes is not generally possible on an individual basis unless you are willing to risk the bullying and harassment. The fight must ultimately be fought on a different level unless you are willing to risk being let go or quitting, which you have stated is not an option. You will have to leave it to others in such case.

It kind of presents a question in my mind why you are asking for advice when you offer no option for yourself other than to comply? The acceptance of any challenge will involve a level of risk.

No, it is not 100% political. And while there are age groups where the dynamic is much more pronounced, at ages 4-6, "politics" is considerably less likely. It would help to LEARN something about the issue rather than counting on media....(from EITHER side)

@tracycoyle What is not 100% political? In my view, the "conflict" IS 100% politically driven. Before the Marxist insurgency there was obviously dissent and differences, as you well know, but there was not general open conflict. In fact, there was even some headway and diffusion of hostilities. Now we have wholesale bullying and harassing around the country. Not just from the LGBTQ+ community but racially, economically and wherever an oppressor/victim mentality can be fomented.

@FrankZeleniuk

If you ever are, remember it is entirely political. It has nothing to do with common sense or biology or science.

While we are considerably rarer than current culture claims, we DO exist.

@tracycoyle Yes. Transgenderism exists and is much rarer than current culture claims. If not for the political climate most people would probably never know of it.

By "it", in the above quote of mine that you cited, I mean the "activism". The resentment and harassing attitude that is exhibited and played out by the "official" LGBTQ+ movement. That is something I don't see in yourself.
The attitude of the movement is destructive and through bullying and harassment the apparent goal is, "if I am gay then everything must, not just accept I am gay, but be gay as well."

When it comes to satisfying the sexual appetite some of the "genders" can be seen as predatory, such as pedophilia. This is shunned in almost all modern societies. As a minority, it will probably always remain on the fringes of any society and not gain acceptance. Bullying and harassing and an in your face attitude does not endear others toward inclusion in the general society.

There is another collective aspect to consider as well and that is one of propagation of the species.
Over-population is unpopular among the elite and seen as a problem today. Therefore they promote alternative lifestyles and try to force their inclusion upon society, but force doesn't work. They are also using force to try and unnaturally increase the numbers of alternative genders in the population.
Force doesn't work.

Saw a video of Larry Fink on twitter the other day saying that in order to bring about change people's behaviors must be forced to change. What an ass!

@FrankZeleniuk I agree that it is the activists that are causing the most political upheaval, but it is the teens themselves that are causing the most social upheaval. Social media is full of teens with false statements, demanding claims, delusional rants. The significant integration of social media into kids' lives has caused irreparable harm. The flipside, any of us that are part of the community that attempt to refute or provide alternate POV are summarily banned from the sites. So the echo chambers grow.

Banning health care is not the cure. But any other method that has a chance of working, seems too tyrannical to me to accept. Lawsuits against drs, therapists and hospitals by 'detransitioners' is likely to have a greater impact.

BTW, Planned Parenthood is a major factor in getting cross-sex hormones to minors. Going after them would have additional value in other areas.

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If it were me....I would get some stickers made, like the ones that say "Hello, my name is..." but my stickers would be outright educational fill-in-the-blank ones for the pronouns that they would want me to use ~ to help remind me of course ....and there can be no rebuttal against it, as it was said innumerous times by the MSM propaganda machine about "TRUST THE SCIENCE"....and make sure they fill out 2 copies!! One to wear, to remind you correctly what to use/say (of course obviously) AND one for your records and self-protection from recrimination, so that there are no recusals and no misunderstandings involved.

Good luck and may G-D bless you as well.

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Don't compromise yourself personally to become who you wish to be professionally

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I worked as an engineer for the State until I retired. There were many occasions where I had to go along to get along. There were many office affairs that I strongly disapproved of but you have to work with people who have different lifestyles than you. I also had to use designs that I felt were not in the best interests of the public. I would object when I thought they were life threatening but in the end the State was inflexible about it's standards. As a teacher I'm sure you have experienced similar situations. While those situations may not present the same level of conflict with personal ethics as seeing children pushed into a gender change they are part of a pattern of immorality that has always been with us. The alternative is a state such as Iran where there are morality police. I think you would agree that morality police is not the answer.

Since we have to live with sinners all we can do is set the best example we can. If you are a Christian I think this quote captures the appropriate attitude. "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." Remember the early Christians had to meet in secret to avoid state arrest and execution. If everyone of them had been a martyr there would have been no one to carry on.

wolfhnd Level 8 May 30, 2023
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I’m no expert but it seems to me the safe approach is to follow the parents’ lead. I would hesitate to insert myself between the parents and their child. Also, if it’s simply a matter of a name change, then the moral implications of gender transition are out of your hands. I would, however, insist on using the child’s new name and avoid “he” or “she.” Good luck.

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A good friend of mine teaches at a middle-school in Kansas. Last year, as covid restrictions were removed and face-to-face classes were getting ready to resume, he received a call from the principal, who wanted to warn/advise him that one of his students (no doubt confused and being "groomed" by his mother) was changing his gender and wished to be called by his (her?) female name. My friend didn't like the situation, of course, but in the end he said, "It's just a job."

Doing your job might require you to do things you're not fond of doing. There are no doubt legitimate reasons you object to people denying their gender, but that doesn't make it wrong (objectively speaking) for you to treat them as they wish to be treated.

Just because you're thrust into a situation you find morally repugnant doesn't mean you're doing anything morally wrong or illegal. It's just a job.

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While I am not a fan of 'preferred pronouns', I have to wonder what you think they mean...other than a confused child. It seems that you are concerned that some child will confuse reality with make believe and you don't want to play with them.

So, find out WHY they feel that way. Find out the root of the issue and deal with that. It also depends on the age of the child. A kindergartener is much different than a high schooler. Also, is it a boy or a girl? Where are they on the social hierarchy - popular to most despised? These things matter. A five yr old boy hasn't learned that societal claims mean anything while a teenage girl is prone to all matter of social influences. Also, their home life, and you many not know much about it, but after 30 years I bet you have a well-developed sense of understanding many home dynamics based on the behavior of the child. Do they have a safe home, or an abusive, or an indifferent one? Siblings? What is their interaction like?

Don't take the current media and political climate's take on what is 'right or wrong'. Consider the child as an individual, their circumstances as unique. Offer EDUCATION*, unbiased and with due consideration for their age and capabilities.

YOU don't know what is going on in their head - don't assume some political or other ideological approach is the right one until you have had a chance to understand, and maybe learn, what the true issues are.

  • By education I mean learning all sides of the issue, not assuming that one side is 100% right, and the other 100% wrong....
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