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LINK New York City is lying about Chinese virus death rates

Anyone else suspicious about why NY has SOOOOOOOOO many more COVID-19 cases and deaths than ANY other state and almost as much as all the other states put together? Are de Blasio and Cuomo credible or is there serious reason to doubt them?

By Matthew Vadum April 3, 2020

The mass hysteria over COVID-19 in the U.S. is driven in large measure by misleading statistics and bad math about the disease’s body count.

Now that New York has become the epicenter of the pandemic in the United States, we are now regularly inundated on cable TV news with the latest pandemic statistics from the city. The statistics grow gloomier by the hour.

These figures have frightened people into submission as state and local governments across America enact repressive measures they say are necessary to contain the virus or slow its proliferation.

After doing everything in their power to oust President Donald Trump, journalists and others are now calling him a weakling for supposedly not doing enough, while they demand an unprecedented nationwide crackdown.

The problem starts with the fact that the highly influential statistics from the Big Apple paint a false picture of what is actually happening.

In New York City, the death of anyone who dies who tests positive for COVID-19 is counted as a coronavirus death. This is the case even if the coronavirus failed to play a significant role in the person’s passing or illness.

This calculus violates established scientific standards.

Brit Hume of Fox News read about New York City’s unscientific methods in a Twitter thread initiated by a thoughtful user named Adam Townsend (@adamscrabble).

Hume tweeted April 1: “Very informative thread. Explains why NY’s Covid 19 fatality numbers are inflated. They don’t distinguish between those who die with the disease and those who die from it.”

A medical doctor once explained this critical distinction to me.

Arguing against ordering excessive tests for his patients, he said that plenty of old people die who have cancer present in their bodies. Sometimes they don’t even know the cancer is present because the growth is tiny and slow-growing and doesn’t affect them. As they age, they die of some other cause even though they do in fact have cancer. When they die, it is not counted as a cancer-caused death because the cancer cannot be said to have killed them.

New York City’s government isn’t the only one worldwide doing this.

In an open letter to Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, wrote:

"[T]he mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death – regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made.”

Infectiology, also known as infectology, is “a branch of medicine that deals with the diagnosis, management and treatment of various infectious or contagious diseases,” according to Medihub.

Why do the rules of infectiology not apply to the Chinese virus?

Clarken 7 Apr 3
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Well let's see. Since last post three medico-legal Doctors in Italy are looking at having to revise the death count there down as currently 88% of the those listed as died from Covid-19 have been shown to die from other causes completely. So we take that level of dishonesty and look at New York city. Which is economically bankrupt due to over spending and falling tax revenue. Same with the state. So you do a little digging and the death rate in New York has done something very interesting. Folks are not dying from Mi/Stroke/Cancer at present in NYC. That is strange. Also no one is dying from pneumonia at the end of it's normal season. Again interesting. Then you have this issues going on in Scotland and other countries that are using the death rate to maintain a draconian system in place that Stalin would be proud of.

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However the numbers of deaths are gathered, the damage to the economy is not measurable.
Many, perhaps hundreds of thousands of small and medium businesses employing millions of people may never recover.

angelo Level 8 Apr 4, 2020
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There will be different ways of reporting the fatalities in different fiefdoms. Not much you can do about that. But that is largely fiddling while Rome burns. The larger picture is clear, and this author has not pinned down how much error he is talking about. It could be 1%. I doubt its 10%. So the relative numbers could be far larger than those required to make that significant. Based on this article there is no way to know, so what is its value? None.

Yep. The fact that there's no way of knowing how far off the true mortality rate is actually seems to be the point. But it is almost certainly not as high as they are making it out to be.

I've heard something that seems pretty credible (forget where I heard it today) that it is likely down closer to 0.66% if we had the true numbers of those who have/had COVID-19 and those who have died BECAUSE OF (not just with) COVID-19.

@Clarken Agreed.

The final number could be 0.7% or lower of the total infected. And of those, over half will be people with at least three life threatening issues before they were infected. A quarter with two, and another quarter with one pre-existing condition. With no pre-existing conditions, your likelihood of getting killed by COVID-19 is around 1 in 100,000. You are far more likely to get killed going for groceries.

Those in the pre-existing conditions group are highly disposed to failing because of ANY passing microbe. With the microscope on COVID-19, now many of them will be COVID-19 deaths instead of "natural causes due to lung cancer, emphysema, diabetes, heart disease...."

@TimTuolomne

Sounds more credible/correct that anything else we're being told.

@Clarken. I got that from:

[informationisbeautiful.net]

And it is consistent with sources like:

[worldometers.info]

@TimTuolomne
Thanks. I didn't have the informationisbeautiful website, but I have the other.

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Why would New York City lie? And exactly who is New York City? They may have an incomplete picture, they will make mistakes and make bullshit. Its not like China who has kicked out all foreign journalist and has gone full on North Korea in the oppression department. There is multiple sources of info on what is going on in New York City. There is no conspiracy to hide what is going on.

Who is NY City? Good question. Answer: de Blasio and other Democrats & MSM.
Why would NY City lie? Another good question. Answer: same as above! Think about it a little.

Yes, there are "multiple sources of info on what is going on the NY City". All MSM - with no credibility any more. Many Americans no longer believe MSM or Democrats in anything they say or report. They use video from Italy and say it's NY. They show lines outside the hospital. Those lines DO NOT exist unless they were just an exercise or drill that the reporters taped and used to prove the overwhelming numbers of emergency patients due to the virus.

I personally wonder about what Samaritan's Purse and Franklin Graham has experienced, having put up makeshift tent hospital in central park. How many people are there in those tents? Or are they empty and just waiting for what is projected to happen. And the Red Cross ship that was brought in to handle the overwhelming numbers projected?

Time should tell what is the truth. But there are MANY reasons to suspect and not trust. Anyone who can't see that is simply either naive or easily suseptible to the fearmongering, sky is falling, wolf is coming, end of the world, hysteria!

@Clarken I think it was yesterday, or the day before, that I saw that Samaritans purse got their first case. My question is what was the death rate in NYC before Coronavirus, and what is the death rate today? My guess, or suspicion is that it is similar....after as it was was before.

I think in the end the real explanation for NYC's fiascos will be incompetence. Idiot's with oversized egos can do a lot of damage.

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This is the same level of dishonesty going on in Italy. In the UK they are mainly testing those who show up to the ER with symptoms that are already at a serious stage. Someone is throwing large sections of the US under the bus. Though it not only the US that is getting this kind of attack on the social and economic structure.

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