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Trinidad and Tobago started mass vaccinations on 6 Apr 2021. There were 145 covid deaths in the previous year leading up to the mass vaccination program. There have been over 1000 deaths in the 4 months since they started the mass vaccinations. The spike started as soon as the mass vaccination program began. Similar results are seen in many other countries.

Daveclark5 8 Sep 7
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The problem you have is that the people that have been dying are the ones NOT vaccinated.

The vaccinated have a much lower mortality rate.

What we have learned in the past four months:

  1. The vaccine is poor at stopping infections and only reduce infection frequency. It does not eliminate transmissions effectively.
  2. The vaccines reduces severe cases among the infected significantly. Less people go to hospital and die.
Hanno Level 8 Sep 7, 2021

You may want to check your sources.

The Israeli data makes this less cut and dried. Up to about 80 years old, the vaccinated were slightly MORE likely to require hospitalization than the unvaccinated.

The recent examples of Del La Hoya and Rogan reaction to COVID also counter that narrative.

@Penrodster
To understand the Israeli data:
The highest at risk people ( people with most severely co-morbidities) were vaccinated first and at the highest rate. Therefore the group of people who were most likely to die were vaccinated almost completely. The group that is less likely to die from co-morbidities were vaccinated at a very low level.

So you no longer have two comparable groups. The one already sickly and the other healthy. You would expect that the sickly group would have much higher mortality. It is only slightly higher.

If you go above 80, age becomes the big equaliser and you start seeing the vaccinated group doing much better.

@Daveclark5
Yep, just did. As explained to penrodster above , statistics is a bitch.
You need to know the details of what is measured.
So I checked my sources again.
Did you? Or was the single YouTube video your only source?

The major Covid wave to hit T&T coincided with the vaccine. It is a coincidence.
In statistics we say that correlation does not imply causation.

@Hanno
You’re right there is such a thing as a statistical anomaly. That’s why after checking my sources, I look to see if this is just an anomaly. At this point I have seen multiple credible sources reporting similar findings in several countries. (I’ve seen reports that say the data has pointed to the same conclusions in no less than 20 countries; however, I haven’t checked out that source not verified the data on the specific countries. Therefore I haven’t posted it nor have I given it the weight of my verified data. I simply use it as a departure point to do more research).

Thank you for helping us to ensure our data and analysis isn’t one-sided.

@Daveclark5
You are welcome.
Making sure my views are not one-sided is one of the main reasons I post here and read what others say.

If there is indeed evidence forthcoming that the vaccinated is more likely to have severe reactions then i will change my view (I was heavily against the vaccine before due to the lack of protocols followed etc).

There are about 160 countries tracked… and considering that the pandemic comes in waves, now three waves on some countries, it is reasonable to expect that there will be some countries that will coincide a major wave with the vaccine roll out period.

So we need to compare the severe reaction / death rate between vaccinated and non - vaccinated while taking into account the effect of co-morbidity etc and then the general decrease in morbidity of a virus over time etc etc and then it becomes a very complex problem.

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The evidence refutes the facts. What?
This is “fact check” techno politics that works like a chameleon and uses Biden speak.
Conclusion: believe what your gut tells you!

Rick-A Level 8 Sep 7, 2021
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My Son in Law is currently drilling in Trinidad. They have a hell of a mess of unvaccinated people. So, total lockdown. Not my cuppa tea. My 96 yo Mothe is getting her COVID booster on this Friday. No deaths in her old soaks home. They got first shots back in January. No news yet on my booster. That Delta version is a disaster to be avoided.

I’ll take the Covid (or one of the variants) over the vaccine any day.

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#VaxLivesMatter

sqeptiq Level 10 Sep 7, 2021

Did you mean #VaxLiesMatter.

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