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Lately people who've deemed me atheist sought me out for debate more frequently. Let me begin with I'm not atheist, more like mathnostic. Are there things I don't understand? Yes. Are those things explained by God? I don't know. Are they explained by math? I can find out.
Having said that, my stance has been and is I will not claim to know existence or non of any god. I do contest that the biblical texts (old and new testament) are not the work of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent diety. But are a control measure written by men to control men.
I welcome civil and reasonable debate, and i believe this is a topic that should be openly debated. Regardless of which side your on learn the other. You'll find your prejudice will disappear with your ignorance. Then maybe i won't have people i don't even know contacting me to tell me that I'm a bad person and going to hell.

WishIKnew 4 May 26
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In 2019 it is sad to hear that some cretins call you names and truly believe in some hell they wish to send you in. It’s simply best to ignore the ignoramus. I’m not atheist, but anti theist just as much as the late Christopher Hitchens, but still respect those who find some comfort in resting their torments at the altar of whatever religious place they feel home in, as long as they leave me alone .

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If you truly don't believe in God then by extension you don't believe in Satan nor Heaven nor Hell. If that is what you believe then you would be indifferent and not feel threatened by people who say that you're a bad person and that you're going to go to hell...jus sayn man. I would NEVER try to sway you or anyone else regarding their beliefs regarding God. That's entirely your business. But I think it is noteworthy that you feel the need to defend against such people. You can always ignore their comments - believe me - if you don't engage with them they'll go away.

iThink Level 9 May 26, 2019

I stated in my OP I am not a denier of God. I am a denier of the texts man uses in the name of gods. My only strong belief on the subject of religion is I must remain open to fully understand it. I often wonder if God is in the infinity of mathematics.
I also find most believers from religions everywhere strive to be good people. I have no desire to change who they are. I desire to open conversation so all faiths can overcome prejudice by overcoming ignorance. I'm not calling religion ignorance. I'm stating ignorance of the others breeds prejudice in each.

@WishIKnew why would you look for God in mathematics.

@iThink Because of the logical truth of it, I would assume. But IMO, that could perhaps be but one aspect of God. Who knows. Any speculation about the supreme being, absent verifiable evidence, is pure conjecture.

@jwhitten everything about God is pure conjecture and attempts to prove or disprove the existence of God is silly and arrogant. God will not be discovered in any mathematical equations, nor in any subatomic particles, nor in the stars, the galaxies, the nebulae. Human beings can no better define or prove anything about God than they can comprehend infinity. It simply is beyond human capacity to Know. There is a reason for the phrase "leap of faith". Human beings do have free will and we can choose to believe in the existence of God or not. To me the only "evidence" I require to believe that God is - is my own existence and the reality of everything I can see and hear and touch and learn...mathematically speaking there is one thing I know for certain; that is that Nothing comes from nothing. 0 + 0 is zero. Something created and animated the Universe and every thing in it. Including the laws of physics. I choose to call that Source of the Universe - God - and if He exists and if He is anything at all like I imagine Him to be then I hope and pray for his Mercy. I know I need it and He knows I need it. Probably my favorite quote from the bible is "...Faith is the belief in things unseen and the hope for things to come." I can not imagine a more bleak and sad existence than to believe that there is nothing greater than my ability to see, touch, feel, hear or to know objectively. Without belief in that then what would be the point of living in the first place.

@iThink Seems reasonable to me.

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All I will say is, I hope you find the answer. I believe. If I am wrong, I lose nothing, If you are wrong????????

Serg97 Level 8 May 26, 2019

Never liked that argument. I don't find it very compelling. And, I don't see how it could possibly bring someone to God. It's basically saying since you have nothing, try this thing that I tried. While it may be nothing too, maybe it's something. At least we'll be together if we screw it up.

This is just MY opinion, but tell OP what God has done in your life and then shut up. Let God do the rest. You have no stake in the outcome. You've done what God asked of you, and you've modeled God's love. AND, I've never seen that approach piss anyone off.

That reads like a 'do this'. It's more a proposal than a declaration. I could rewrite it. But, lazy.

@chuckpo First, i wasn't trying to convert anyone. In my experience that is always a personal thing. I have personally survived several things most people have not. I have also personally witnessed other people survive situation that NO one should survive. I have nothing to prove. I know the answer.

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