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Who do we believe? Is there an objective measure of truth that we might access, or has truth simply become another pawn of political orientation? Do we really have to wait ten years for unbiased accounts of the current crisis to start sorting everything out? Yeah. It would seem.

Right now it’s becoming clear that apocalyptic predictions of massive death rates were based on computer models that were, quite simply, wrong. Honest mistake, or political conspiracy? That depends on the political worldview you bring to the table.

No question the drastic response has crippled the world’s economy. Necessary precaution, panicked over-reaction, or cynical exploitation of a crisis that was too good to waste? Depends on the political worldview you bring to the table.

Now we hear the “models” were wrong. Predicted deaths will be much, much lower than originally thought. New York finds it doesn’t need all those ventilators after all. ICU beds are opening up. So was this an unnecessary rush to judgment, and we should reconsider the strangle-hold on our nation? Or does it mean, “It’s working! Don’t stop now!” Depends on the political worldview you bring to the table.

A reliable indicator is to look at our “experts,” see where they come from, what they’ve advocated in the past, who they’ve been associated with. You won’t hear this on MSNBC, but plenty of information is part of the public record and accessible if you look.

Here’s a clue: if asking questions about the nature of this crisis triggers charges of racism, science denial, and a willingness to let people die for political gain, the possibility of a rational discussion has been declared off-limits before it begins.

What the heck; it’s only life snd death for our nation.

[breitbart.com]

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I stumbled across this body of research yesterday, very interesting and with verifiable links, recommended reading
[vigiliae.org]

matthin Level 1 Apr 10, 2020

Massive amount of data. It needs someone to lash it together into a coherent narrative. Usually, I’m a sucker for stuff like this, but I couldn’t follow it for long. It seems to be moving in dozens of directions at once. It’s an impressive bit of research. Not so much on presentation. Still, I’ll probably go back to it when I have a few hours free.

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As a structural engineer, I can assure you that computer models are very useful (unless you are a bridge in Italy). But, we should always remember the purpose of the model. My goal in a structural model is to size elements and connections so that they do not fail under the "worst expected conditions."

If I were putting a model together for this pandemic, I would want to provide conservative inputs so that anyone who plans based on that model should also be conservative in their reactions. The mortality rate is 0.6% to 3% - model 3%, community guidelines will reduce the exponential growth from doubling every 2 days to doubling every 4 to 8 days - model doubling every 4 days.

The real understanding, as with structural models, environmental models, etc... won't be understood until it is balanced against the economic loss. In this case, as our inputs are being defined by reality, we should now balance the loss of expected life due to the virus vs the loss of life due to the loss of economy (a very real thing).

Currently, I am frustrated with the direction of discussion. The goal of physical distancing was never to reduce the total infected but to reduce the load on our hospital staff. In real numbers, our peak was on April 3rd. Impending doom appears to have been averted. Now we need leadership to get us back to work while maintaining some measures to keep the numbers at a plateau (under the hospital capacity). We should all be talking about testing and tracing.

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If you examine human behavior from its physical and philosophical origins, you see this pattern:

  1. Life
  2. Safety
  3. Freedom
  4. Happiness

The cultural split is along 2 and 3. Those models were made by people who are afraid of losing safety.

Those who value freedom more were right partially because there is a system in place to protect safety.

This is why the right gets tagged as conspiracy theorists, groupthink is indistinguishable from conspiracy.

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The damage from the economic shut down will be worst than the virus, and take longer to recover from!!!!!
My PREDICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Serg97 Level 8 Apr 9, 2020

Which may be the motive driving the response in the first place. Ya think? Just a coincidence that it has fulfilled a slew of leftist wet dreams, I suppose.

@Edgework No Coincidence, in MHO!!!
The Virus was an excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Use of "computer models" it would seem is a pretty neat trick used to fool people into believing their "output" - the results spit out by these subjectively constructed algorithms are in reality objectively arrived at conclusions. It's like a card trick..."is this the card you selected madam?"

Remember the expression "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link". I say a computer model is only as objective as its developers and those who compile the data programmed into it.
There can be little doubt that the programming - the input of computer models is always skewed favorably toward and according to the world view - the socio-political leanings of those who create said computer models.

It is a real life example of the mythical emperor of Emerald City - standing behind a curtain whilst working levers and wheels that make it seem that he is an all seeing all powerful godlike figure - a being not to be doubted much less denied - to do so would mean death for any would be doubters.

iThink Level 9 Apr 9, 2020
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Well stated! Thanks- I"m going to copy and share this.

iThink Level 9 Apr 9, 2020

BTW I gave you credit for writing this by your IDW name "Edgework" when I shared it on Face book.

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Well said and great read, thanks.

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