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I want to give my opinion on current events. Personally I'm glad the cop that killed Floyd has been imprisoned: because I believe he intended to do so. However, I am not remotely glad that people are rioting., Peaceful protests in the past have proved much more effective than violent protests. Martin protested peacefully among men and women of different ethnicities. Yet we as a community choose to ignore that. black lives matter means black lives matter too; not black lives matter only. So why are we killing random white people in the name of self righteousness; oblivious to their value as a human being? :When that is in fact racist.
We disagree with racial stereotypes: and justifiably so, but we choose to perpetuate them by being the men and women we're perceived to be by racists. Thieves and killers. Floyd's death was not just, but that doesn't mean you have to kill innocent people and ruin the businesses of people that worked hard to build them. A fallen castle is a fallen kingdom. when these store owners and employees lose their jobs because of inconsiderate "protesting" it's a problem.
And it is a problem that we as a community need to think about before we decide to "protest": I use protest with quotation marks because these protests don't seem to be with the intent of changing hearts and minds like past protests. They look like circus acts.
This isn't protesting; these are acts of criminals using protest as a defense mechanism: to justify stealing and killing. When you murder or steal in the name of change you're not a hero or a vigilante: you're a criminal. When you commit crimes after the death of someone you didn't know you're not mourning their death, you're not doing it for them: as it is unlikely they told you to rob people of their livelihood when they die.
you're doing it because you see it as an opportunity to be a scumbag that is perceived as a hero.

PS: If they did tell you to riot when they die putting you and the lives of others in jeopardy then they weren't someone who deserved to be outside of prison, and they certainly aren't someone to look up to as an inspiration.

J_Midnite 3 June 3
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Harsh words, but the sentiment remains true.

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It's more how some people are treating him like hes MLK or Rosa Parks. Ok I accept that what happened to him was downright wrong and falls into the category of Law Enforcement brutality . But some are claiming he is a hero, he certainly isn't

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He didn't kill him. He died from a heart condition and the cocktail of drugs he was on. He should have known the consequences of his actions.

Hook Level 2 June 10, 2020

Not only are you justifying someone losing their life for allegedly using a counterfeit bill with ''He should have known the consequences of his actions.''; but you are also ignoring the fact that police are trained not to do that unless the suspect was resisting arrest. and the fact that the cop ignored floyd saying I can't breathe.

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Hey, Jaclyn.
Talk about Brazil's president, Jair Bolsonaro. The president who hates black and atheist people and who redirects more than 70% of taxes to the army in a country that is absent from wars. A president that refers to concepts like torture, censorship, minority execution, military dictatorship. The president who says things like:
"I'd rather see my son dead than gay"
"Black people non even serve for breeding"
"There is no hunger in Brazil"
"There's no constitution, no. I am the fucking constitution!"
"Minorities have to kneel or disappear"
"It will only change when happen a civil war in here. Falling down killing some 30,000 and if some innocent people have to die, that's fine"
"I am homophobic, YES!"
"Homophobic, me? Fake news"
"There is no burning in the Amazon Forest"
"It is the indigenous who are burning the Amazon!"
"Lighter quilombola weighs 7 arrobas"
"The 1964' Brazilian Dictatorship only wasn't better because it didn't kill many people"

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@wolfhnd Welp, Can't argue with the facts: if it wasn't intentional; I still don't think he should've put his knee on his neck though; and evidently he cops agree. Not everyone is cut out to be a cop.

Peaceful protesting has still proven more effective though: so my general point still stands.

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@wolfhnd ''The principal of innocent until proven guilty is central to the U.S. criminal justice system''
[law.umich.edu]
sure...
I never said ''the murder was racially motivated'' I said: I believe it was intentional. thats an opinion. I never said there was an ''epidemic of white police officers killing blacks''.
so the rest of your statement is irrelevant to mine.

you have many straw man arguments...

I wasn't limiting my response to your points. What applies to your comment was only that it was an illogical conclusion. Based on the autopsy Floyd didn't die from strangulation but a heart condition aggregated by fentanyl, methamphetamine and Covid 19.

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I agree 100%. The police officer is guilty of murder and this is not an isolated incident. There is a disproportionate number of black Americans killed by the police in the US. This is an issue, well, according to the best data available, anyway. There needs to be serious legal reform, but burning down shit will not help that cause. Peaceful protests, however, will be effective.

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The narrative that the death of Floyd was premeditated murder is illogical. Even bad cops have learned that everything is filmed these days. Reckless endangerment would be more logical.

It is also ridiculous to suggest violence is never the answer as so many public figures are doing. Violence causes violence. To say our black communities do not have a violence problem is not going to be helpful. It's easy to say reform the police but how many of the public figures calling for police reform would not be trigger happy if a criminal was threading their lives?

The appearance of weakness is an escalating factor in violence.

"Using a variety of empirical estimators to take into consideration the structure of the distribution of police-caused deaths, we find consistent results that a higher share of female officers is associated with a higher likelihood of police-caused deaths."

[tandfonline.com]

wolfhnd Level 8 June 3, 2020

The murder was defiantly intentional; taking into account Floyd told the officer he couldn't breathe yet he continued. More proof; Jim Cessford, who has spent 47 years in law enforcement, says 'knee to neck' is not a tactic. “Neck restraints are totally unacceptable and they're not an approved policy by police,” he says. Cessford says officers are taught to instead put a knee in between the shoulder blades to pin down a suspect.

I didn't say violence is never the answer, I said peaceful protesting has proved more effective in the past.

I never suggested a police reform. Black communities obviously have a violence issue: that's why the stereotype that all black people are violent exists; that's also why I said ''yet we choose to perpetuate them''

was your comment meant for me? because... only two of your responses were relevant to my statement.
I never even made a comment related to cops as a whole: I made a comment in reference to the one that killed Floyd.
Why are you bringing up female officers being the main cause of police deaths; when that is irrelevant to the point of my statement? Just because women are responsible for most police deaths; doesn't change the fact that the cop wasn't a woman. so I wasn't talking about a female officer.

@J_Midnite

Everyone should be on the same page here because the details are important. Chauvin is not being charged with first degree murder and the prosecutor admits that even second degree murder is a stretch.

The principal of innocent until proven guilty is central to the U.S. criminal justice system and that includes innocent of exaggerated charges. We do not have sacrificial lambs to calm a public outcry or allow our emotions to dictate our actions. It also includes charges that a crime is racially motivated for which no evidence has thus far been presented.

The narrative that there is an epidemic of white police officers killing blacks isn't backed up by the statistics. The media supports that narrative because it justifies their agenda of social reforms. Those reforms to a large degree have been in place for 50 years with mediocre results. As it turns out white guilt is a form of insanity that isn't helping. If anything it is confirmation of "unconscious bias" that causes irrational reactions as people try and compensate.

@wolfhnd [justiceforjuliusjones.com]

[law.umich.edu]

[gothamartists.com]

Huh, turns out we shouldn't be on the same page.

[washingtonpost.com]

[nhpr.org]

''A Mississippi sheriff said Friday that the man did not appear to have stepped off of anything before he died.'' dates aren't too far apart either which makes it likely that comment about black victims hanging being the result of suicide was likely made with the case in mind; makes you wonder though not every white officer is racist, how many are? and aren't off the force until there's ''bad press.''

@wolfhnd ''White guilt is a form of insanity''
in·san·i·ty
/inˈsanədē/

noun
the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
that's.....an exaggeration.

White guilt isn't a severe mental illness it's someone feeling bad for atrocities committed/being committed by their race nothing more nothing less; however, feeling the need to submit someone based off of their race black white whatever is not insanity- but is still inherently not okay. As opposed to merely feeling empathy for people who are experiencing/experienced discrimination based off of their race; as that is obviously okay.

that being said, If anything it is confirmation of "unconscious bias" that causes irrational reactions as people try and compensate. It is irrational to attack white officers/attack innocent people/ for no reason. It is not irrational to be enraged by the presence of racism. And hold signs and boycott.

@J_Midnite

Because the mob amplifies the flaws of the individual we have the madness of crowds. Trump derangement being an example.

@wolfhnd de·ranged
/dēˈrānjd,dəˈrānjd/
adjective
mad; insane.

How is disliking trump insane..? that's called having an opinion not insanity. wanting him to die however, suggests mental illness

The mob amplifies the flaws of the individual; you mean mob mentality? in which case; that only includes angry mobs; it's obvious a group of people committing crimes out of primal rage suggests a bad mentality .

Holding signs and boycotting is neither insanity nor derangement; wanting a different president and being vocal about that does not suggest madness; unless you are committing violent crimes.
And I never mentioned this but you never responded to me debunking your ''innocent until proven guilty is central to the U.S. criminal justice system'' comment with multiple examples of that being false; from the literal national registry of exoneration site; hell, you didn't address even address these;

[justiceforjuliusjones.com]

[law.umich.edu]

[gothamartists.com]

[washingtonpost.com]

[nhpr.org]

speaking of bias...

@J_Midnite

Generally I express my own opinions but since you want to exchange links.

"The forgotten truth: Innocent before proven guilty
BROKEN JUSTICE SYSTEM"

[dailyprogress.com]

Nothing illustrates how broken are justice system is than that the justice system was weaponized by the Obama administration to derail Trump. Based on Russian disinformation and lying to the FISA court the intelligence community orchestrated a phony impeachment. Knowing that the secret testimony would expose the charade congress tried to prevent the public from seeing it. None of this would have been possible if the media has not induced Trump derangement turning half the population into a "mad crowd".

@wolfhnd Trump derangement is not a mental illness sir. the media paints trump as what he clearly is; a quick scroll through his twitter is enough to come to the conclusion that he's certainly not the best.
he leap frogs to a certain side when it benefits him. pandering to Christians without being able to name a single bible verse ; trying to communicate he's not racist while endorsing the unite the right movement; which consisted of white people holding literal torches marching down the street yelling Jews will not replace us and one people one nation end immigration. hell, they basically said though he's not as extreme as us he's still ultimately on our side.

and you still evaded everything involving unjust incarcerations.
and the Julius Jones situation.

you don't get to cherry pick which points you address in a debate. unless of course you're biased :/

also:my links are from a literal registry yours is from the media;how ironic.

@J_Midnite

I don't engage in debate, especially not on the internet. Debate is for the sophomoric who want to boast their egos it doesn't serve any other purpose. You can have a perfectly logical argument but still be wrong. Think of it this way. A theoretical physicist may have the most eloquent of mathematical models and still be wrong. Empirical evidence always trumps logic.

Trump derangement stems in large part from how he offends people's aesthetic sensibilities. Sensibilities that are rooted in primitive instincts. Refining those instincts does not make them anymore rational because instincts are by definition irrational. They evolved without purpose. To have a rational discussion the emotional language has to be curtailed.

This conversation has run out of any reasons to continue. I feel I have given you a generous amount of attention. Perhaps you would like to engage with someone else.

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