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What is the best policy to deal with the homeless?

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It's a tough problem. A very large percentage of homeless are mentally ill, drug addicted, or both. A youtube channel named "Soft White Underbelly" is a series of interviews with the residents of Skid Row. If you watch a few you will realize that many, if not most of the people who sink to that level are beyond repair. Many are approaching middle age and have been on the streets since their teens and addicted to drugs for most of that time.

Even if they could miraculously kick drugs, they have no job skills nor the basic knowledge required to exist in the world in a conventional manner.

Triumph Level 6 July 30, 2020

Nailed it. Until we come up with a better way to care for the mentally ill, this problem will continue. People enter treatment, then get kicked to the streets when their time is up or their insurance runs out.

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Civilization by being civil interferes with natural selection and domestication. Nature will correct the problem if civilization collapses or not because evolution is undirected. In other words there isn't an answer.

You might think that it is a problem of relaxed selection as indicated by the options that suggest sterilization or some other form of eugenics. The argument against that would be that people that have been under strong selection until relatively recently are failing at an even higher rate than those who have been privileged. The irony is that subset of those least adapted to civilized life by predisposition may have a fitness advantage if civilization collapses.

What seems just, and I don't mean fair, is that the homeless issue be addressed in a way that has a minimal impact on those in society that play by the rules of delayed gratification and hard work but is humane. That calls for hierarchy of actions that are practical. The first practical concerns are sanitation and crime. While it may seem unempathetic addressing those issue will increase the quality of life for the homeless while protecting the general population. If you really want to solve homelessness you have to make it less attractive. Treating the homeless as if they are on an extended camping trip is not going to cut it. Homelessness after all is the state for which we evolved. The three things that all people will seek in ranked order are water, food and sleep. If you provide those things they will come. The problem is once they acquire them they don't want to be confined and will wander around. The question is how do you get a species evolved to wander to want to be homed. Constant supervision is out of the question for both humane and practical reasons.

It's unfortunate but what seems to work best if you reject coercion is shame. The exact opposite of what liberals are trying. As anyone with any experience working with them will already know it's hard to shame drug addicts and the insane. It does seem however that shaming nicotine addicts has been somewhat effective. Shaming alcohol addicts into not driving intoxicated also seems to have been modestly effective.

wolfhnd Level 8 July 30, 2020
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Don't allow government to be taken over by criminals, people are then able to decide for themselves to be charitable or productive on their own, with the means to do so on their own.

2 examples may help, but I'll spare the readers the cost of reading those examples, just let the criminals in government do all the thinking for you.

Only worthy response on this peice of shit poll. If the economy collapses and they end up on the streets, all theri so-called "answers" won't mean shit in the real world of the streets.. and they'll all be shitting their pants and crying for mummy and dadda to save them.. fucking pussies

@H0bo

One of the examples I had in mind was something published in 1888 having to do with the consequences of allowing the criminals to take-over the government and then allowing the criminals to enforce a Money Monopoly from a Criminal Central Bank (a pyramid scheme, a fraud).

The central bank must enforce extortion payments that must be paid with the one and only Central Bank Monopoly Money.

Then the criminals at the central bank can "make money" by adding zeros to their bank account.

The criminals at the central bank must enforce the monopoly by either destroying all competition or incorporating competitors into the Central Bank Fraud, which then forms a Cartel of Fraudulent Central Banks that pay the dominant criminals for a piece of the action: interest.

The dominant criminals pay no costs for anything, all they have to do to pay anyone to do anything is to add more zeros to their account, therefore anything that can be bought will be bought by the criminals running the Central Bank Fraud, nothing is off the table, all they have to do is add more zeros to their account.

The consequence of this causes a decline in the number of people able to start-up a business of any kind, including a banking business, and the result of that (an additional consequence) is an increase in the number of people seeking employment.

A reduction in employers is an increase in unemployment.

Those are my words above, the words of someone else on the same subject is quoted:

"First in the importance of its evil influence they considered the money monopoly, which consists of the privilege given by the government to certain individuals, or to individuals holding certain kinds of property, of issuing the circulating medium, a privilege which is now enforced in this country by a national tax of ten per cent., upon all other persons who attempt to furnish a circulating medium, and by State laws making it a criminal offense to issue notes as currency.

"It is claimed that the holders of this privilege control the rate of interest, the rate of rent of houses and buildings, and the prices of goods, – the first directly, and the second and third indirectly. For, say Proudhon and Warren, if the business of banking were made free to all, more and more persons would enter into it until the competition should become sharp enough to reduce the price of lending money to the labor cost, which statistics show to be less than three-fourths of once per cent. In that case the thousands of people who are now deterred from going into business by the ruinously high rates which they must pay for capital with which to start and carry on business will find their difficulties removed. If they have property which they do not desire to convert into money by sale, a bank will take it as collateral for a loan of a certain proportion of its market value at less than one per cent. discount.

"If they have no property, but are industrious, honest, and capable, they will generally be able to get their individual notes endorsed by a sufficient number of known and solvent parties; and on such business paper they will be able to get a loan at a bank on similarly favorable terms. Thus interest will fall at a blow. The banks will really not be lending capital at all, but will be doing business on the capital of their customers, the business consisting in an exchange of the known and widely available credits of the banks for the unknown and unavailable, but equality good, credits of the customers and a charge therefor of less than one per cent., not as interest for the use of capital, but as pay for the labor of running the banks.

"This facility of acquiring capital will give an unheard of impetus to business, and consequently create an unprecedented demand for labor, – a demand which will always be in excess of the supply, directly to the contrary of the present condition of the labor market. Then will be seen an exemplification of the words of Richard Cobden that, when two laborers are after one employer, wages fall, but when two employers are after one laborer, wages rise. Labor will then be in a position to dictate its wages, and will thus secure its natural wage, its entire product.

"Thus the same blow that strikes interest down will send wages up. But this is not all. Down will go profits also. For merchants, instead of buying at high prices on credit, will borrow money of the banks at less than one per cent., buy at low prices for cash, and correspondingly reduce the prices of their goods to their customers. And with the rest will go house-rent. For no one who can borrow capital at one per cent. with which to build a house of his own will consent to pay rent to a landlord at a higher rate than that. Such is the vast claim made by Proudhon and Warren as to the results of the simple abolition of the money monopoly."
Benjamin Tucker, State Socialism and Anarchism:
HOW FAR THEY AGREE, AND WHEREIN THEY DIFFER (1888)

The problems that add up when the criminals take-over don't end there, the problems go much deeper, but having only that one problem (unemployment) in mind, working, may suffice to help someone account for these direct consequences resulting from the fact that the criminals are running the government.

Quote 2:

"Plaintiff admitted that it, in combination with the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, which are for all practical purposes, because of there interlocking activity and practices, and both being Banking Institutions Incorporated under the Laws of the United States, are in the Law to be treated as one and the same Bank, did create the entire 14,000.00 in money or credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the Consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful consideration must exist and be tendered to support the Note. See Anheuser-Bush Brewing co. V. Emma Mason, 44 Minn. 318. The Jury found there was no lawful consideration and I agree. Only God can create something of value out of nothing."
STATE OF MINNESOTA
COUNTY OF SCOTT
First National Bank of Montgomery, Plaintiff
vs
Jerome Daly, Defendant.
December 9, 1968

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  1. Put the crazy homeless in state mental hospitals.
  2. Reduce immigration to increase job availability.
  3. (optional) Make a government program to help homeless get work, shower, etc.
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...or just don’t become one of them.

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