slug.com slug.com
10 1

Are you religious? There might have been a poll on this before. If so, I apologize but I'm curious.

What best describes your beliefs?

  • 30 votes
  • 12 votes
  • 6 votes
  • 4 votes
AbsoluteMAD 5 July 11
Share
You must be a member of this group before commenting. Join Group

Be part of the movement!

Welcome to the community for those who value free speech, evidence and civil discourse.

Create your free account

10 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

0

I am a Christian but regarding the subject of church I do fear being struck lighting.

0

Not all religions are theistic or even spiritual.

0

Well to build on an existing iniiialism in a new context I would say MGHOW i.e. I am a Man Going His Own Way.

I have been heavily influenced by Buddhism and Taoism but I have also been influenced by Christianity and the Bible. I have also read many books on more obscure religions like Zoroasterism and the Australian Aboriginal.

With regard to a Supreme God who is Omniscient and a lot of other Omnis I don not know if one exists or not and am not bothered one way or the other.

Marx thought religion would wither away in a communist utopia. I think that this was another thing Marx got wrong. In essence he called religion a painkiller that was used by the masses to ease the pain of their oppression. This may be true but forgot that even in a communist utopia there are the day to day pains of bereavement, death, illness injury etc.

Does this mean I am religious or not? I do not know and care less. I will say yes in discussion one time and no at another time. It all depends on the context.

0

Religion such as islam, christianity, judaism. These are all mechanisms to control people. Just take a look at the indoctrination, and you can see it for yourself.
Believing in a higher power, and just understanding we are all connected by forces of good and evil is being spiritual.
Most religions don't even teach to be at one with the world.

Kheare Level 7 July 13, 2020
0

I think there is a strong distinction between atheist and agnostic. I am the latter.

That said, I think there is an argument to be made that religious does not mean spiritual and that might be a better distinction.

I also get the need to group things of similarities and making distinctions among them defeats the purpose of the question - in other words, disagreeing with the premise.

Unless you were trying to distinguish people of ANY faith vs those that lack such. As pointed out by others, most atheists have a faith - they just like to pretend theirs is better !!!!!!

1

Humans regard religion as the cause of their own murderousness, among many other reasons we deny that the evil we do isn't our fault.

Marxism is responsible for the death of arguably 100 million souls, only second to Islam. In the name of Christianity, millions died in the Crusades as the fearful HUMAN response to murderous Muslims.

Christ sacrificed himself for the sake of every human soul past, present and future, only for the price of acceptance of His gift. If I were a man who chose to die for every human, I would mourn each and every one who chose to decline my gift.

His current call to every Christian is to love God and all humans as we love ourselves. Millions were free to decline and have throughout history. There has never been any other figure in history who died for us and resurrected. That is impossible on Earth, but not for a being from Heaven. There were over 500 witnesses, all who remained true to their testimony, most under pain of death.

I did not have to die for my sins, because He did. And I am grateful for His Sacrifice. So in gratitude I will, with terrible fallibility, attempt to not dishonor His gift. My relationship is with Him, and I congregate with others of like mind. But that association is a human one. The relationship that matters is with Jesus Christ.

Atheism claims there is no God. There is no evidence for such a claim, and theologists agree that all of the evidence exists that I have given, that there is. If one thinks about it even for a short bit, one has to admit that physicists beginning to understand that our Universe is a mere film within a larger reality, means that asserting there are no beings there would be like asserting that we don't exist. Belief is conviction without evidence. And knowledge is belief WITH evidence. I have evidence, so I KNOW that Jesus Christ lives.

“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.” - C.S. Lewis.

0

I don't think everyone claiming atheists are not without belief in some kind of supernatural or sketchy belief. I don't mean that as an insult, but to be truly non religious or non superstitious, a lot of work is required to find alternatives. For most individuals that is too much work so they accept some other form of belief system that may not be rational but helps them rationalize their worldview. In fact I think many have come here because of another kind of belief system that does not like to identify itself as being religious or irrational but very much is.

...though ours is a godless age, it is the very opposite of irreligious. “It is quite true that Marx said that religion is the opium of the people. But of course we now know that Marxism is the crack cocaine of the people.” ― Douglas Wilson

“Marxism was a simple substitute for Christianity. Replace God with Marx, Satan with the bourgeoisie, Heaven with a classless society, the Church with the Party,” ― Arundhati Roy, The God of Small Things

“It is startling to realize how much unbelief is necessary to make belief possible. The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world. Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.” ― Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

There is a reason why feminism, which is by and large Marxism in a skirt took root so vigorously in Scandinavian countries where they self proclaimed themselves to be atheists the most in the world. Something had to fill in the vacuum.

When God “died” in the 19th century, “social-ism” took the form of materialist scientism (hence the philosopher Eric Voegelin’s observation that under Marxism, “Christ the Redeemer is replaced by the steam engine as the promise of the realm to come&rdquo😉. It’s worth recalling that both Marx and Engels came to their socialism via their atheism, not the other way around.” ― Jonah Goldberg

In the Marxist–Leninist interpretation of Marxist theory, primarily developed by Georgian revolutionary and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, religion is seen as hindering human development. Due to this, a number of Marxist–Leninist governments in the 20th century, such as the Soviet Union after Vladimir Lenin and the People's Republic of China under Mao Zedong, implemented rules introducing state atheism.

"The crude human animal is in-eradicably superstitious, and there is every biological reason why they should be. Take away his Christian god and saints, and he will worship something else.”" ― H.P. Lovecraft

“Marxism, like all other totalitarian movements in our century, must be seen as kind of secular pattern of redemption , designed to bring hope and fulfillment to those who have come to feel alienated , frustrated, and excluded from what they regard as their rightful place in a community. In its promise of unity and belonging lies much of the magic of totalitarian mistery, miracle, and authority.

Bertrand Russell has not exaggerated in summing up the present significance of Marxism somewhat as follows: dialectical materialism is God; marx the Messiah; Lenin and Stalin the apostles; the proletariat the elect; the Communist party the Church; Moscow the seat of Church; the Revolution the second coming; the punishment of capitalismo hell; Trotsky the devil; and the communist commonwealth kingdom come.” ― Robert A. Nisbet, The Quest For Community: A Study In The Ethics Of Order And Freedom

“Orthodox Marxism, therefore, does not imply the uncritical acceptance of the results of Marx’s investigations. It is not the ‘belief’ in this or that thesis, nor the exegesis of a ‘sacred’ book. On the contrary, orthodoxy refers exclusively to method. It is the scientific conviction that dialectical materialism is the road to truth and that its methods can be developed, expanded and deepened only along the lines laid down by its founders. It is the conviction, moreover, that all attempts to surpass or ‘improve’ it have led and must lead to over-simplification, triviality and eclecticism.” ― György Lukács

“Postmodernism's specifically academic appeal comes from its being another in the sequence of all-purpose "unmasking" strategies that offer a way to criticize the intellectual efforts of others not by engaging with them on the ground, but by diagnosing them from a superior vantage point and charging them with inadequate self-awareness. Logical positivism and Marxism were used by academics in this way, and postmodernist relativism is a natural successor in the role. [The Sleep of Reason]” ― Thomas Nagel

“Many people, observing religious conflict in the contemporary world, have become hostile to religion as such and regard it as a source of violence and intolerance. In a world of overlapping and plural religious environments, this can clearly be the case. But they fail to put religion in its broader historical context, where it was a critical factor in permitting broad social cooperation that transcended kin and friends as a source of social relationships. Moreover, secular ideologies like Marxism-Leninism or nationalism that have displaced religious beliefs in many contemporary societies can be and have been no less destructive due to the passionate beliefs that they engender.” ― Francis Fukuyama, The Origins of Political Order: From Prehuman Times to the French Revolution

“The Communist Manifesto as political rhetoric has an almost biblical force.”
― Eric Hobsbawm, How to Change the World: Marx and Marxism 1840-2011

“Marxism is supposed to be a social science designed to see through hypocrisies and denial, but Marxism ended up as a kind of earplug, guaranteed to deafen its disciples.” ― Paul Berman

“The influence that Marxism has achieved, far from being the result or proof of its scientific character, is almost entirely due to its prophetic, fantastic, and irrational elements. Marxism is a doctrine of blind confidence that a paradise of universal satisfaction is awaiting us just around the corner. Almost all the prophecies of Marx and his followers have already proved to be false, but this does not disturb the spiritual certainty of the faithful, any more than it did in the case of chiliastic sects.… In this sense Marxism performs the function of a religion, and its efficacy is of a religious character. But it is a caricature and a bogus form of religion, since it presents its temporal eschatology as a scientific system, which religious mythologies do not purport to be.” ― Leszek Kołakowski

“Marxism was a simple substitute for Christianity. Replace God with Marx, Satan with the bourgeoisie, Heaven with a classless society, the Church with the Party,” ― Arundhati Roy, The God of Small Things

“It is quite true that Marx said that religion is the opium of the people. But of course we now know that Marxism is the crack cocaine of the people.”
― Douglas Wilson

“In Christianity this evolution lasted centuries; in Bolshevism — only decades. If Lenin was the St. Paul of Marxism, who set out to transplant the movement from its original environment into new lands, Stalin was already its Constantine the Great. He was, to be sure, not the first Emperor to embrace Marxism, but the first Marxist revolutionary to become the autocratic ruler of a vast empire.” ― Isaac Deutscher, Russia After Stalin

“Interestingly, Marxism, Communism and its derivative, Socialism, when seen years later in practice, are nothing but state-capitalism and rule by a privileged minority, exercising despotic and total control over a majority which is left with virtually no property or legal rights.” ― Andrew Carrington Hitchcock, The Synagogue Of Satan - Updated, Expanded, And Uncensored

“Therein lies the true essence of Marxism. ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs’ only ever works with a gun in your hand." ― Philip Kerr, Prussian Blue

“Hence a communist society would have a new ethical basis. It has been claimed – by Lenin among others – that Marxism is a scientific system, free from any ethical judgements or postulates. These are the essential points of ‘the first Marxism’. It is manifestly not a scientific enterprise in the sense in which we understand science today. Its theories are not derived from detailed factual studies, or subjected to controlled tests or observations.” ― Anonymous

"That Marxism is not a science is entirely clear to intelligent people in the Soviet Union. One would even feel awkward to refer to it as a science. Leaving aside the exact sciences, such as physics, mathematics, and the natural sciences, even the social sciences can predict an event—when, in what way and how an event might occur. Communism has never made any such forecasts. It has never said where, when, and precisely what is going to happen. Nothing but declamations. Rhetoric to the effect that the world proletariat will overthrow the world bourgeoisie and the most happy and radiant society will then arise.” ― Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Warning to the West

“Kirk defined the ideologue as one who “thinks of politics as a revolutionary instrument for transforming society and even transforming human nature.” Unleashed during the most radical phase of the French Revolution, the spirit of ideology has metastasized over the past two centuries, wreaking horrors. Jacobinism, Anarchism, Marxism, Leninism, Fascism, Stalinism, Nazism, Maoism—all shared the fatal attraction to “political messianism”; all were “inverted religions.” Each of these ideologies preached a dogmatic approach to politics, economics, and culture. Each in its own way endeavored “to substitute secular goals and doctrines for religious goals and doctrines.” Thus did the ideologue promise “salvation in this world, hotly declaring that there exists no other realm of being.” ― Russell Kirk, The American Cause

P.S.
I am truly non religious, but I pay heavy price for it. I have to work very hard not to resort to some kind of comforting lie. Its not easy being non religious. Lot of intellectual effort for same or less emotional comfort. Sometimes I think the joke is on me.

A very scholarly piece sir. And so well done that I am actually surprised that you are "non-religious." Although I believe that one can have a relationship with Christ and not be "religious," as in not affiliated with any human church. The Bible has a few characters like that. You are well-read on Marxism. The Bible?

@TimTuolomne Thank you.

“I didn’t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
― Mark Twain

Well, interestingly I have better relationship with the Church as it were than with Christ. I come from country of Croatia, which is majority Catholics. We are actually a colony of Vatican, one might say. We (our government) pays substantial tribute to Vatican, and in return we get some political protection and some religious protection. Probably that is why some of the crazy new ideologies of the West like intersectionality etc. have not taken hold in my country.

Interestingly enough in the past I though that Croatia being relatively weak economically and majority Catholic was a bad thing and I was thinking of moving out, but as the chaos being the spread in the West with intersectional ideology and Marxism and immigration, I realized that in a weird twist of faith my country actually has an advantage.

By being unattractive to migrants because of not so good economy, million + migrants in 20 just transit trough and went to western Europe for free bread and board and still they don’t stop here. So with no migrants in the country, ethnic and religious cohesiveness remains and has proven to be a saving Grace, sort of speak.

Every country must adopt a religion of some kind, but not all religions are the same. Some are more destructive to the society than others. And quite frankly between Marxist derivatives like intersectional feminism and God knows what it is these days and Islam, I prefer my country to stays Catholic. At least with that I know where I stand. And its not that bad. By constitution we have separation of state and church even if we tribute to Vatican and I feel fairly free here. Although the danger of leftist ideologies is always around the corner.

I said I am no religious, and that is true. I don’t like to use the word atheist, because It tends to have unfortunate connotation of being understood as antitheist. Anti-religion. And I am not anti-religion, because I don’t think humanity can live as a society and not have a religion. If I were to wave a magic wand and make religion disappear, it would be reinveted tomorrow again. Its pointless to try to eradicate something that because of human nature is here to stay. As someone put it….

Yet, despite modern man’s efforts to slay all his gods, the sacred can never be wholly eradicated from human existence. The sacred continues to survive in the most seemingly profane forms, hidden beneath the disguises of half-forgotten myths and symbols. Because man is homo religiosus, he always retains the vestiges of the sacred lying secretly within his dreams and fantasies, in his novels and works of art. Herein lies the last hope of reawakening the sacred in the context of a secular society. For “it is the historian of religion who is capable of recognizing and deciphering the religious structures of these . . . imaginary Universes.”

― Tantra: , Secrecy, Politics, and Power in the Study of Religion (2003)

Between various religions I’ve interested myself in, both Eastern and Western, I find Christianity acceptable in its current form in many parts of the world. But not all forms of Christianity are the same and they change over time. I don’t want Spanish Inquisition or Crusades or Jonestown massacre. But there are rituals and community events in all world religions, including Christianity and especially Catholicism that I think can help keep the community in more stable and more structured place.

But not all religions are the same. Some are more oppressive to its own people than others, some are less tolerating to strangers, which is not always a bad thing. Example might be Judaism. Judaism has so many rituals and kosher rules that its very hard for just any outsiders to become part of Jewish community. This kind of complex set of rules that they have keeps the outsiders out and insiders in,
therefore keeping this very old religion the pillar of Jewish people. By comparison its easy to become a Christian and not to become a Christian and be reborn as Christian as the Americans like to call it. While Christians are more numerous than Jews, they are also less loyal.

As for Islam, they are more like Mafia. I mean its easy to get in. You just accept and try to practice five pillars or Islam, but if you try to get out, its not so easy. Its seen as unforgivable betrayal. I think that kind of more sturdy religion is less likely to spilt into many parts like Christianity has. By comparison to Christianity, Islam only has two major fractions of Sunni and Shia (I’m not counting Sufism).

Christians have so many, I lost track. Hindus are not much better.

I said I have better relationship with the Church than with Christ. That is because I don’t have a need to believe in Jesus, or God, but I admire very much the architecture and paintings and sculptures of especially Catholic artistic tradition. In fact, I’m doing an essay on Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel. An ultimate artistic achievement in all of Christendom. A story about Christianity as seen by Christians.
But I feel no need to believe in the supernatural elements of it., I’m simply fascinated by its artistic achievement.

You asked have I studied the Bible? I have to an extent. Not as theologian but more as an enthusiastic historian or scholar. Of all the world religions I find the story of Christianity to have the most epic story of them all, in terms of time scale and achievements. I am fascinated by it. From split with Judaism, conviction of Jesus, sacking of second Jewish temple by the Romans, to spread of Christianity in all directions, including branches that didn’t survive like those in China.

I guess one might say that pivotal moment in Christian history was Constantin adopting Christianity as the official religion of Roman Empire. With such powerful friends, Christianity had a firm enough foundation to become world greatest religion. So for me, historically this is interesting. Even if I don’t believe in God or supernatural claims of any world religion. Story of other religions like Hinduism, or Islam are just as fascinating but overall, not as impressive to me. That’s just my view on it.

Marxism is something I didn’t much attention until last year, but with the rising threat from it, I took interest so I went all the way back to Ancient Egypt and back to study how we got here. Along the way I came across the evolution of political ideas and naturally Marxism which took many of his ideas form others and then others took from his writings and eventually we got to Marxism in skirt, namely feminism and decline of Western Civilization. Its not over yet, but those who want to preserve it will have to fight for it and educate themselves about it. As I have tried to do. 😊

Cheers!

0

I would say that not everyone can be spiritual but with a little practice and help from parents and society most people can learn to be religious. Despite the very cogent and widely accepted arguments of atheists and agnostics the world over, there is much to be gained from religion. With hard work one may even become spiritual.

Your description of the benefits of "religion" seem to be oriented to Earthly value. Every other religious philosophy on Earth is equivalent to Christianity in regard to Earthly value. So is Emily Post, and Dale Carnegie.

ONLY Christianity is an open door to eternal life. And if you think that is beyond belief, consider theoretical physicist Werner Heisenberg's opinion: "The Universe is not only stranger than we think. It is stranger than we CAN think." Unless you know physics as well, I would not doubt that.

@TimTuolomne Actually I was commenting on the original question and my selection in the poll. The original question didn't specify "Christian." You are correct that other religious "philosophies" are equivalent despite their differences in geography and ethnic origin. Joseph Campbell spoke to this for his whole career. I do not know physics but I do know that eternal is not the same as everlasting. Eternity is not a long time; it is timeless...outside of time, and this is the realm of spirit.

1

I voted "Christian." I am the primary teaching pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Bloomington, Illinois, U.S.A. It is a Reformed Baptist church.

0

Agnostic Atheist.

Write Comment

Recent Visitors 75

Photos 516 More

Posted by CourseofEmpireA little weird. All of them ina nation that is overwhelmingly Eastern Orthodox? Shouldn’t there be more of them in there instead?

Posted by InspirationHow do you explain this.

Posted by CourseofEmpireIf the international banking cartel says that you aren't allowed to have a bank account, it means you are a threat.

Posted by CourseofEmpireThis should be our objective

Posted by CourseofEmpireProposed measures to reduce fertility in the US, 1967. "Too Many Americans."

Posted by CourseofEmpireA little pita bread, tsaziki, souvlaki, mmmm, quite tasty; not sure about the social media platform though. ;)

Posted by CourseofEmpireI mean, is he really wrong?

Posted by CourseofEmpireThere are reports many larger cities are starting to see an outward drift. Maybe the early stages of this? ;)

Posted by CourseofEmpireWhy can’t C-19 vaccine mandates be taken seriously?

Posted by CourseofEmpireWarren is one of the inventors of mRNA and he believes 1 to 2 billion will die from this vaxx. [twitter.com]

Posted by CourseofEmpireThe vast majority are vaxxed. This can’t be the unvaxxed who are mostly dying. Remember, they are a few months ahead of the Northern hemisphere.

Posted by CourseofEmpireAwesome 😂

Posted by CourseofEmpireWeimar (yes, THAT Weimar) will no longer report numbers of vaxxed people being hospitalized for COVID because the truth might be used for "misinformation." -Lovecraft's Cat

Posted by CourseofEmpireAny cause. This is an amazing vaccination, you are almost invincible if you get it, everyone (except a few little side effects and such)! 😂

Posted by CourseofEmpireHow long before a politician is physically attacked and even killed for mandating vaccines? [news.com.au]

Posted by CourseofEmpireNotice how much things increased with this one vaccine?

  • Top tags#video #world #media #government #hope #biden #money #Police #youtube #reason #truth #death #god #culture #rights #whites #democrats #society #China #politics #USA #freedom #vote #evidence #Canada #children #videos #TheTruth #liberal #racist #nation #evil #fear #kids #racism #chinese #friends #hell #conservative #community #crime #propaganda #justice #Christian #book #population #religion #FreeSpeech #antifa #violence ...

    Members 1,889Top

    Moderator