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Please answer me a few questions: Do you believe in God or "Creation" as the designer of humans?
Serg97 comments on Jul 9, 2020:
That is a lot of "do you believes", answers: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No 4. No 5. Yes 6. No 7. Nothing said where Eden was located 8. Yes 9. Yes 10. Both God has a design, and humans are not smart enough to understand!! HE did give us free will!!!
govols replies on Jul 9, 2020:
Thank you. I hope your's are the commonest answers to the "mutually exclusive" questions.
If anybody in Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, Nevada, Utah or Wyoming start with the whole ...
govols comments on Jul 6, 2020:
I've just decided to go with "Conquered. Not stolen, conquered. Read history."
govols replies on Jul 6, 2020:
@A1fredo, there was a war over territory, and the violence was merely to establish the value of the territory. The price both sides agreed to was the value of both the territory itself and the value to both sides to discontinue the violence.
Requesting input! And discussion! I have a blog on the Times of Israel, looking at Jordan ...
wolfhnd comments on Jul 5, 2020:
Peterson is an interesting man. His role as clinical psychologist to the world puts his philosophical musings as secondary. As a clinical psychologist it isn't surprising that he advocates open dialogue. Dialogue being an important clinical tool. That his self help guidance is vague is also in ...
govols replies on Jul 6, 2020:
I really like the connection with classical natural philosophy. The traditional philosophies reaching toward an understanding or how the world works, broadly, was a manner of thinking that was actually toward the idea of successfully making ought from "ises." Peterson has used the ought from an is quip hundreds of times, but his comprehension that the sort of knowledge that Harris desires is beyond the scope of human perception. Peterson is trying to look at how our perceptions of reality are interpreted and evolve, and how we might make oughts for ourselves that include meaningful measures by which we can both improve our physical, emotional, social, and cultural environments, and in so doing refine and refocus our perceptions of the resulting realities we create. The idea that we can't have a map of what IS, at infinite resolution, without it being as incomprehensible as reality itself, isn't new; but Peterson's idea of studying how we might better figure out how to slip more easily between levels of resolution, zoom out to see Is problems and zoom in to make ought choices, zoom out to measure result and identify where small oughts made higher level adjustment to is, and etc. He's sort of tweaking the crap out of the idea of think globally and act locally, because he has figured out we're blinded to so much when we zoom too far out that we can't see any oughts. He's almost promoting a zoom out just a little bit theory. If you zoom out too far you see too many problem and lose any hop of fixing them all. Zoom back in til you see only a few, and pick one. Fix that one broken window. The tragedy of the common will still be there if you zoom back out, but then you zoom back in and pick anther one.
Interesting article here.
TimTuolomne comments on Jul 5, 2020:
I am vehemently opposed to any notion of "race." Racism is a tool of the unprincipled politically manipulative.
govols replies on Jul 5, 2020:
@TimTuolomne Have you looked at anything that WASN'T decades ago?
Interesting article here.
TimTuolomne comments on Jul 5, 2020:
I am vehemently opposed to any notion of "race." Racism is a tool of the unprincipled politically manipulative.
govols replies on Jul 5, 2020:
How much of current hypothetical history, archaeology, genetics, geology, time-scale of the universe, etc., do you consider to be well supported by observation and reasonable interpretation? Much current hypothesis has modern humans out of Africa around 50k years ago and spending thousands of years largely isolated as breeding populations adapting to very different environments through differing social behaviors, leading to differing social institutions,further complicating the variety of the environmental differences and further differentiating the largely isolated populations to a point that... Race is real.
Any New GOP Ideas?
TimTuolomne comments on Jul 3, 2020:
"New" ideas don't necessarily mean better ideas. And the Constitution has not been itself since 1942, so very few people are alive today who remember what it was like before a massive Federal Bureaucracy unconstitutionally created by the Democrats grew to control every aspect of our daily lives, ...
govols replies on Jul 3, 2020:
@TimTuolomne, cheers.
Any New GOP Ideas?
TimTuolomne comments on Jul 3, 2020:
"New" ideas don't necessarily mean better ideas. And the Constitution has not been itself since 1942, so very few people are alive today who remember what it was like before a massive Federal Bureaucracy unconstitutionally created by the Democrats grew to control every aspect of our daily lives, ...
govols replies on Jul 3, 2020:
@TimTuolomne you might rethink your assumptions about my awareness. I asked why you date it as you do. That's all.
Any New GOP Ideas?
TimTuolomne comments on Jul 3, 2020:
"New" ideas don't necessarily mean better ideas. And the Constitution has not been itself since 1942, so very few people are alive today who remember what it was like before a massive Federal Bureaucracy unconstitutionally created by the Democrats grew to control every aspect of our daily lives, ...
govols replies on Jul 3, 2020:
Why do you date it to 1942?
Leftist Brigaders Admit to Trolling Parler [techdirt.com]
Lightman comments on Jul 1, 2020:
Funnily enough there was an article in The Australia yesterday about Twitter and Parler. The slant was that due to free speech Parler was a sewer and Twitter was much nicer. But then It was a very Left leaning slant. Not having seen Parler I cannot say how true that is, but It does seem ...
govols replies on Jul 1, 2020:
It's diversity that drives them nuts, unless they're imposing it.
I stumbled on this expression "the evidence for Christ’s death and resurrection".
danscott comments on Jun 27, 2020:
Thank you for the invitation for theists to join the discussion. Though I’m not a Christian scholar, I do firmly believe in Jesus and His resurrection. I don’t intend to bail on the after this post as others have stated. Here is some evidence that the resurrection occurred and even ...
govols replies on Jul 1, 2020:
@dmatic, you're welcome.
I stumbled on this expression "the evidence for Christ’s death and resurrection".
Crikey comments on Jun 30, 2020:
A lot of the confusion comes in because people like me (with limited background in history) try to apply the same standard of evidence to determining historical facts as we would to science, for example. While in fact historical evidence does tend to be scant even for some major historical events in...
govols replies on Jul 1, 2020:
The options available to the explorer are to reserve judgement or to default to skepticism. My nature is toward openness, but I'm jaded toward cynicism. Where the ancient is concerned, I don't trust people with knowledge claims.
Why am I not hearing Jack-Shit from the Republican party about the atrocities being committed ...
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 30, 2020:
The US is much more diverse than it was 60 years ago. You are going to lose some symbols of your privilege. Hope you can deal.
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles Sometimes it's called social change. Sometimes it's called social policy. Sometimes it's called genocide. Depends on whether you favor the policies enacted upon you in order to facilitate the changes, I suppose.
Why am I not hearing Jack-Shit from the Republican party about the atrocities being committed ...
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 30, 2020:
The US is much more diverse than it was 60 years ago. You are going to lose some symbols of your privilege. Hope you can deal.
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles Genocide is the concerted, coordinated effort to destroy any human group or collectivity as it is defined by the perpetrator. We recognize that most humans possess identities that evolve and overlap, and also that societies have invented many of the most commonly held identities, such as race. That is why we emphasize “as it is defined by the perpetrator.” Groups that have suffered genocidal violence have usually been identified by “race” or “ethnicity,” nation, religion, political identity, or by social class or membership (or perceived membership) in other social groupings, such as those defined by sexual orientation or gender identity. It is essential therefore to avoid creating a restrictive list of potential victim groups (as in the 1948 UN definition). Genocide differs from other mass crimes against humanity and atrocities by its ambition. Genocide aims to not only eliminate individual members of the targeted group but to destroy the group’s ability to maintain its social and cultural cohesion and, thus, its existence as a group. Because perpetrators very rarely provide explicit statements of genocidal intent, this intent can be uncovered by examining policies, actions, and outcomes, as well as the guiding ideology.
Why do White people like climbing mountains?
Admin comments on Jun 30, 2020:
I thought "because it's there" used to be the reason.
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
Still is.
Why am I not hearing Jack-Shit from the Republican party about the atrocities being committed ...
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 30, 2020:
The US is much more diverse than it was 60 years ago. You are going to lose some symbols of your privilege. Hope you can deal.
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles By "genocide" we mean the destruction of an ethnic group…. Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups….
Why am I not hearing Jack-Shit from the Republican party about the atrocities being committed ...
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 30, 2020:
The US is much more diverse than it was 60 years ago. You are going to lose some symbols of your privilege. Hope you can deal.
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
In some cultural contexts, by some modern standards, the above would be considered an advocacy for genocide.
If you have a symptom called 'pessimism', stay away. I don't want to catch it. 😝😂
govols comments on Jun 30, 2020:
Well, I do at least *try* to be non-destructive in my pessimism, and *mostly* avoid being hateful. A friend of mine used to say to me "Damn! you'll say anything!" The first time he said it I told him "you should hear what I *don't* say..."
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@Naomi, just..don't. I'm tight enough without being wound.
This cultural war has been created by PR and that is the way you can fight back in a non-violent ...
govols comments on Jun 24, 2020:
A difficulty is that art is fucking hard, and those for whom it comes easy tend toward openness to exotic experience and emotional intuition--often a trait mistaken for care, but also an aspect of the manipulative. You, as poor Mexican, seeing us as rich and more subject to our lizard brains for...
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@A1fredo, I'm not sure how to engage. I can't put up with Molyneux for any length of time. One thing at a time.... You don't think most of us have a critic riding around with us? Only a few of us, suffering from inadequate parenting, have the nagging passenger? I think that's almost universal.
This cultural war has been created by PR and that is the way you can fight back in a non-violent ...
govols comments on Jun 24, 2020:
A difficulty is that art is fucking hard, and those for whom it comes easy tend toward openness to exotic experience and emotional intuition--often a trait mistaken for care, but also an aspect of the manipulative. You, as poor Mexican, seeing us as rich and more subject to our lizard brains for...
govols replies on Jun 30, 2020:
@A1fredo Okay. Please allow me to redirect just a bit. The expectations I mentioned above--the ones we never meet--I was talking about our own expectations that we have for ourselves. That little fucking monster that walks around in our heads and tells us how we're failing, what we ought to be doing, how poorly we're living up to our own idealist expectations. If you don't have one of those little monsters walking around with you, maybe I'm not quite sane. We haven't always been dominated by some alpha. We've very often been actually leaderless, not being told what to do but doing, instead, what we think might win the approval of that competent guy over there. Part of the reason I believe this is personal experience. I'm the guy who has spent his life rising to the level of my incompetence. I've been alpha, and I'm competent to about the leadership by example of maybe 5 or so people. Beyond that, leadership gets too complex and I fuck it all up. Knowing ourselves is far more complex than coming to know the natural world. We're nearly eight billion individuals, each reacting to and participating in both the natural world and the actual human environment of putting up with one another. The hardest people to really tolerate are those with whom we've managed to share intimacy, and that's in part why we have to set as few as possible into our in-groups; we can't tolerate intimacy with eight billion people and we can't do basic empathy without some intimacy. I'm being unfair to your effort, but it isn't fair to leave it hanging, either.
‘Queer Liberation March’ mounts leftist assault on free thought An article written by my friend...
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 29, 2020:
Who knew speech could be so dangerous?
govols replies on Jun 29, 2020:
2019 and just getting started.... https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/3/20845071/youtube-hateful-content-policies-channels-comments-videos-susan-wojcicki
I fuggin love these people, quite aware there will be a shitstorm but much respect
govols comments on Jun 29, 2020:
Is that a PPK?
govols replies on Jun 29, 2020:
@MikeHunt you beat me to the edit....
This cultural war has been created by PR and that is the way you can fight back in a non-violent ...
govols comments on Jun 24, 2020:
A difficulty is that art is fucking hard, and those for whom it comes easy tend toward openness to exotic experience and emotional intuition--often a trait mistaken for care, but also an aspect of the manipulative. You, as poor Mexican, seeing us as rich and more subject to our lizard brains for...
govols replies on Jun 29, 2020:
@A1fredo Just stopping in to let you know I'm still chewing on this.
I stumbled on this expression "the evidence for Christ’s death and resurrection".
waynus comments on Jun 28, 2020:
The evidence Christians cite is based entirely on the New testament. Outside of it there is no mention of the death and resurrection until well after 100 years has passed and no evidence at all from non-Christian sources
govols replies on Jun 29, 2020:
Would you consider it more credible had the multitude of texts never been compiled into a canon? The texts weren't written as the New Testament; they were largely written as records of events within the lifetimes of often named witnesses, letters to specific audiences, stuff that outside the later collected canon would be considered historically relevant given modern standards as applied to ancient texts and fragments. The fact that ancients considered many of the texts worthy of the care of the copy scribes indicates a certain regard over generations for preservation.
I stumbled on this expression "the evidence for Christ’s death and resurrection".
danscott comments on Jun 27, 2020:
Thank you for the invitation for theists to join the discussion. Though I’m not a Christian scholar, I do firmly believe in Jesus and His resurrection. I don’t intend to bail on the after this post as others have stated. Here is some evidence that the resurrection occurred and even ...
govols replies on Jun 28, 2020:
@Naomi, I'm not competent to participate, but I've read many accounts like the one below, and others about how, by ancient history standards, much of what experts accept as reliable today has less continuity than the gospels to the events they report. https://www.quora.com/What-Gospels-were-written-by-eyewitnesses-Why
Florida reports massive single-day increase of 9,000 coronavirus cases [axios.com]
govols comments on Jun 26, 2020:
No, not an increase of 9000. That's not what it says.
govols replies on Jun 26, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles Fair enough interpretation.
Florida reports massive single-day increase of 9,000 coronavirus cases [axios.com]
govols comments on Jun 26, 2020:
No, not an increase of 9000. That's not what it says.
govols replies on Jun 26, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles No, a SINGLE DAY INCREASE is the change from previous single day number.
Florida reports massive single-day increase of 9,000 coronavirus cases [axios.com]
govols comments on Jun 26, 2020:
No, not an increase of 9000. That's not what it says.
govols replies on Jun 26, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles it's an increase of about 3k, from nearly 6k to nearly 9k. The headline is framed to misrepresent the data.
This cultural war has been created by PR and that is the way you can fight back in a non-violent ...
govols comments on Jun 24, 2020:
A difficulty is that art is fucking hard, and those for whom it comes easy tend toward openness to exotic experience and emotional intuition--often a trait mistaken for care, but also an aspect of the manipulative. You, as poor Mexican, seeing us as rich and more subject to our lizard brains for...
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@A1fredo First, for reference, show me the timeline from your perspective. Find one of mine here: https://idw.community/post/106376/long-wrong-poorly-written-and-reposting-to-a-smaller-forum-but-in-part-my-view-of-what-got-us-he
This cultural war has been created by PR and that is the way you can fight back in a non-violent ...
govols comments on Jun 24, 2020:
A difficulty is that art is fucking hard, and those for whom it comes easy tend toward openness to exotic experience and emotional intuition--often a trait mistaken for care, but also an aspect of the manipulative. You, as poor Mexican, seeing us as rich and more subject to our lizard brains for...
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@A1fredo Okay, let's do honest. I'm rich beyond anything any of my ancestors might ever have imagined, but I'm weak and dependent, unable to hold together the means of self- and/or familial- preservation barring the trappings of culture and its demands and expectations. I am, in part, a captive to the gratitude and reverence I hold for the accomplishments and legacy of my forebears. The stacking of accomplishment has outpaced my ability to integrate a comprehensible whole from the chaos. So, rich white male, master of the universe, stunnedly watching it burn, trying to remember what my guts whisper it once was like to stand in the fire. Remind me what it looks like from the perspective of kindling.
What happened to the Intellectual Dark Web's influence?
Bay0Wulf comments on Jun 24, 2020:
My first reaction is that IDW has gone out scraping at the Barrel Bottom by creating “SLUG”and is reaping the obvious “rewards”. You make Yourself “Irrelevant” by trying to “attract” people who aren’t particular “Intellectual” by nature. I would further note that paragraphs...
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@Bay0Wulf Fair enough.
What happened to the Intellectual Dark Web's influence?
Bay0Wulf comments on Jun 24, 2020:
My first reaction is that IDW has gone out scraping at the Barrel Bottom by creating “SLUG”and is reaping the obvious “rewards”. You make Yourself “Irrelevant” by trying to “attract” people who aren’t particular “Intellectual” by nature. I would further note that paragraphs...
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@Bay0Wulf A slug of whiskey?
What happened to the Intellectual Dark Web's influence?
Afterthought comments on Jun 24, 2020:
What happened? They came up against the iron wall of race and wouldn't "go there". Thus they have no relevance to the future where the Indo-European Expansion squares off against the Rising Tide of Color.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
Sam Harris has talked with Charles Murray, Rubin with Molyneux, Brett has pondered the question of disproportionate representation among Jews, Pinker has challenged Blank Slate....baby steps to some, but giant leaps compared to typical mainstream.
It's easy to rant about things, but harder to use the energy and the mind to invent, forge, or make...
Bay0Wulf comments on Jun 24, 2020:
I do masonry/ stonework ... I get paid well to think about ... think through ... all sorts of weirdness while I “meditate” over stone placement.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@Bay0Wulf , and this right here is why I toss out little easy questions like I sometimes do. Thank you for taking the time. When I attempted a few phrases and failed at meaning, I was after more like piling up rocks to lastingly serve as a barricade, but without craft or art as a guide; a pragmatic construct intended as a barricade, skillfully laid with longevity in mind; through a desire to create separated spaces, whatever the motive, the whole creative capacity of a people is deployed toward the task of making a permanent monument to the wisdom of it. Something like that. I'll look up some pictures of the ones you mentioned. Thanks!
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles I've read many of the "debunkings," and they have thus far been rebukings rather than debunkings. Have you read it?
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles So, you haven't a clue of your own. Is any and/or every study of the variances within and between human populations considered "race science" from your ideological perspective?
It's easy to rant about things, but harder to use the energy and the mind to invent, forge, or make...
Bay0Wulf comments on Jun 24, 2020:
I do masonry/ stonework ... I get paid well to think about ... think through ... all sorts of weirdness while I “meditate” over stone placement.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
So, what are the major differences between a work of art that serves as a wall, an intentional wall that will stand for generations, and a pile of rocks?
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles And, what do you consider to be "race science?"
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles How, exactly, is The Bell Curve eugenics?
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles, have you read it? Did he promoted it, or engage in conversations in which it was being considered among people who have read it? Nothing in The Bell Curve is eugenics.
Latest writing from Dr Peterson.
WilyRickWiles comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Yes, people like Peterson might want to consider where their aggrieved defense of traditional gender roles and race science fits in the narrative of history.
govols replies on Jun 24, 2020:
Please provide examples of Peterson's "race science," and while you're at it, express in your own words what the fuck "race science" is.
This article is about privilege, which is a hot topic, no doubt.
govols comments on Jun 21, 2020:
Okay, this might be a steaming pile that I'm about to step into... So, one of the reasons I often say that life is suffering (I had it before I ever heard or read about from others; maybe it slipped in through Church or depression ere religious grandparents) is that we ALL experience being ...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
@Naomi, I'm not sure it's philosophy alone that presupposes suffering, nor is it a subject only among thinkers. I offer as evidence "The Blues," and all manner of folk music. On the human nature of the tell-all, well, I wonder if most of that isn't clear deficiencies among the upper classes and the desire among the subordinates to find ways of topping from the bottom. My own experience is with people commiserating among equals, telling of woes together in order to laugh in good company at our own follies. If philosophers didn't presuppose suffering and sufferers, the heights of their ivory would soon exceed Babel. Guilt is the fate of we who fail our own expectations. It's never handed out, but handed in.
Everybody Hurts
govols comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Song at around 1:48.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8yD3-HWTg
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
And because I'm really impressed with this guy: Begins at 1:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26-D0buNcZA
Long, wrong, poorly written, and reposting to a smaller forum, but in part my view of what got us ...
wolfhnd comments on Jun 22, 2020:
It is Jordan Peterson's message in a less convoluted form :-) I'm unrepentantly a systematizer. If I don't have a grand narrative I can't function. What other people would call a plan. Although I despise Marx my desire for things to be organized including the economy is overwhelming. I guess ...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
I didn't mean for the tangent there at the end. I intended to move from examining the laws of nature to the progression from Socrates' critical inquisition, to Aristotle's attempts to systematize reason and natural inquiry, through some of the efforts to integrate philosophy with theology.... and then got lost in a fit of passion instead. Part of why I made the re-post is to follow the original premise further if I or others can pull it off--in a more intimate setting.
GUILT FOR SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU DID The margins of racism are becoming thinner every day.
wolfhnd comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Maybe it's because I'm older but I think racism remains a significant problem. What I don't believe is that ending racism will significantly improve the lives of minorities. Ending racism leaves the problem of class division, the difference between a serf and a slave is in that one is ...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
@wolfhnd, frequency and/or intensity, maybe?
Just reflecting on how lazy people have become.
govols comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Curious what a few hours on a route earns...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
@curvycom Does it pay by the hour or by the route?
GUILT FOR SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU DID The margins of racism are becoming thinner every day.
wolfhnd comments on Jun 22, 2020:
Maybe it's because I'm older but I think racism remains a significant problem. What I don't believe is that ending racism will significantly improve the lives of minorities. Ending racism leaves the problem of class division, the difference between a serf and a slave is in that one is ...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
Please define the racism that you think remains a significant problem? I don't disagree, necessarily, but I'd appreciate clarification.
This article is about privilege, which is a hot topic, no doubt.
govols comments on Jun 21, 2020:
Okay, this might be a steaming pile that I'm about to step into... So, one of the reasons I often say that life is suffering (I had it before I ever heard or read about from others; maybe it slipped in through Church or depression ere religious grandparents) is that we ALL experience being ...
govols replies on Jun 22, 2020:
@Naomi I've never thought of it that way, but I've noted it for sure. There's certainly profit available to those who use the fact of it to fire up among lower status members of society. For me, though, the observation that it's true of all of us, no matter our station or status, it helps me to rein in resentments as they percolate up into my viewpoint. Because I utterly fail at empathy for other people, while I can't suffer with others their indignities, I can use this other awareness as a tool with which to avoid resentment against those whose status I can see but whose troubles I don't witness. I don't "feel your pain," but my own makes me more than susceptible to the desire to knock others down a peg where I can find an excuse to. On a side note, it's funny: I can empathize with animals, even in fiction, but I sort of have to reduce my expectations of people toward my idea of them as animals for me to empathize with humans.
This worm had to resign because he liked some tweets in opposition to the BLM riots.
AbsoluteMAD comments on Jun 21, 2020:
We should start awarding Cucklympic medals. Would you say this deserves gold, silver, or bronze?
govols replies on Jun 21, 2020:
@AMRX, wow. The poor child.
Trump's judicial appointments
govols comments on Jun 18, 2020:
Younger historical?
govols replies on Jun 18, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles How are the younger generations historically determined to be secular? Won't that remain to be seen? Traditionalism is on the rise, even--some say especially--among the younger generations.
What do you think of the idea that individuals are mostly constructed by the environment they ...
Tycho comments on Jun 15, 2020:
I like Karl Jung's take: "“I am not what happened to me, I am what I choose to become.” And I think that applies to the *nature* half of the nature/nurture dichotomy.
govols replies on Jun 16, 2020:
Only applies, or also applies, to nature?
Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution - YouTube
wolfhnd comments on Jun 15, 2020:
Both liberals and conservatives have reason to dislike "Darwinism" Liberals want to believe that anyone can be trained and conservatives want to believe that laziness accounts for most failures. The extremes to which they will go is illustrated by Gould's attempt to validate some aspects of ...
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
@wolfhnd Thanks. I'm sure I'll enjoy the insight.
Fair enough really😂
Crikey comments on Jun 15, 2020:
This is funny but potentially misleading. This can lead to believers in the whole Jesus story assuming that you are an atheist simply because you don't *understand* the Jesus story the way they do. It's similar to how a lot of theists assume that we are atheists because we are angry with god....
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
Universal agreement among a collection of almost eight billion intellectual agents, each with their own motivations, as to right and wrong. Or, alternatively, a universal Q&A with God himself. Yes, I could see that working as evidence. Sort of fucks up the mysteries of it all, but yep, it would serve as evidence. I'm not asking what a supreme being could offer as evidence, but what evidence mere mortals might accept once doubt is taken as premise. From a critical position, what might actually function as evidence in a world full of mysteries.
Fair enough really😂
Crikey comments on Jun 15, 2020:
This is funny but potentially misleading. This can lead to believers in the whole Jesus story assuming that you are an atheist simply because you don't *understand* the Jesus story the way they do. It's similar to how a lot of theists assume that we are atheists because we are angry with god....
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
Out of curiosity, what evidence would persuade you?
Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution - YouTube
wolfhnd comments on Jun 15, 2020:
Both liberals and conservatives have reason to dislike "Darwinism" Liberals want to believe that anyone can be trained and conservatives want to believe that laziness accounts for most failures. The extremes to which they will go is illustrated by Gould's attempt to validate some aspects of ...
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
@wolfhnd Reason v Rationalism v Empiricism v Experience. What do we make of what we experience? Here's where the game is played.
Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution - YouTube
wolfhnd comments on Jun 15, 2020:
Both liberals and conservatives have reason to dislike "Darwinism" Liberals want to believe that anyone can be trained and conservatives want to believe that laziness accounts for most failures. The extremes to which they will go is illustrated by Gould's attempt to validate some aspects of ...
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
@wolfhnd, yes. I need to start reminding myself that basically everything we know is wrong. I read the other day about a lab violating Ohm's Law by (simple retelling) making current flow on only one path where an alternative was also made available.
I am an atheist.
camerakid61 comments on Jun 15, 2020:
I'm still trying to get religious believers to understand that all deities were created by primitive and ancient people either before science or while those people were naive about science and therefore mythological. Why is this so difficult to understand?
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
You might as well quit trying. Belief comes on its own and goes on its own. The vast majority of people who lose faith didn't do it on purpose, and the people who find faith aren't looking.
Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution - YouTube
wolfhnd comments on Jun 15, 2020:
Both liberals and conservatives have reason to dislike "Darwinism" Liberals want to believe that anyone can be trained and conservatives want to believe that laziness accounts for most failures. The extremes to which they will go is illustrated by Gould's attempt to validate some aspects of ...
govols replies on Jun 15, 2020:
I feel like evolution, even if wrong, is a decent model and seems to make effective predictions.
I Am Not Part of Any Race [youtube.com]
govols comments on Jun 14, 2020:
Race is real. Search that phrase. Lots of evidence that race is real, and genetic, and has an impact on culture.
govols replies on Jun 14, 2020:
@TimTuolomne https://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/ There's plenty of evidence that human populations adapted to differing environments in near isolation for tens of thousands of years, and that it shows in our DNA. Many of the genetic variances are consistent with continental and regional ancestries.
I Am Not Part of Any Race [youtube.com]
govols comments on Jun 14, 2020:
Race is real. Search that phrase. Lots of evidence that race is real, and genetic, and has an impact on culture.
govols replies on Jun 14, 2020:
@TimTuolomne, did you search the phrase, or just close your mind a bit tighter?
Morality is older than religion - Frans de Waal: Morality Without Religion - YouTube
govols comments on Jun 11, 2020:
I disagree. The ancients had religion so tightly woven into cultural expectations that that we with exposure to secular ideas simply don't recognize that there used to never be religion, but only the way things were. Religion wasn't A thing; it was THE thing.
govols replies on Jun 12, 2020:
@Hanno I think I see your point about flow v step, and will try to explore it. I think of religion far more as the cult of a given population than as belief without evidence. Point me toward some of the biblical context you mentioned?
What would you suggest Donald Trump do to have a positive resolution to the BLM/Defund Police/ANTIFA...
Penrodster comments on Jun 12, 2020:
Quarantine. Let them have the experiment and offer whatever help he can to governors who want it. Diversity of ideas needs the chance to succeed or fail. And absolutely no money to help the govs or mayors who refuse help or to stop looting and burning. States have rights, Trump should not ...
govols replies on Jun 12, 2020:
@David42 , I know but they won't be satisfied til the killing is done. Might as well try to keep it isolated.
What would you suggest Donald Trump do to have a positive resolution to the BLM/Defund Police/ANTIFA...
Penrodster comments on Jun 12, 2020:
Quarantine. Let them have the experiment and offer whatever help he can to governors who want it. Diversity of ideas needs the chance to succeed or fail. And absolutely no money to help the govs or mayors who refuse help or to stop looting and burning. States have rights, Trump should not ...
govols replies on Jun 12, 2020:
The States were intended from the start to be each its own republic. If some want representative socialism, well, let them run the experiment. Still, we need a way to prevent people moving State to State and bringing their politics with them only to transform the politi of their new hosts...at least for some period.
Morality is older than religion - Frans de Waal: Morality Without Religion - YouTube
govols comments on Jun 11, 2020:
I disagree. The ancients had religion so tightly woven into cultural expectations that that we with exposure to secular ideas simply don't recognize that there used to never be religion, but only the way things were. Religion wasn't A thing; it was THE thing.
govols replies on Jun 12, 2020:
I can't quite figure out how to think this through, but morality isn't really a thing without moralizing, in a manner like reason isn't at all related to morals without rationalizing. I guess I'm thinking that you don't have morals unless you have to make excuses for your violations. Does it come prior to religion? I'm unsure, but it depends maybe on how one defines religion at the most primitive level possible.
Quilette: Rowling was right, biological sex is real: [quillette.
RavenMStark comments on Jun 10, 2020:
I'm a trans man. I also agree with you! And you may be surprised to hear that I think MOST trans people would agree with you. I think that the point where people on both sides of this debate are getting tripped up is the definition of the word "sex." We are using the same word, but we mean ...
govols replies on Jun 11, 2020:
I didn't expect to join this group, but for this I've done it. Sex. Same word, different contexts. Yes. True. I think this "trip up" was intentional, and dreamed up by gender theorists to muddy the valid topic of social and cultural expectations for the sexes to express gender roles appropriate to the norms as they've continuously developed over time. That's a valid topic. So is the treatment of pre-, post-, and currently transitioning individuals. And many other adjacent topic. The idea of sex as a spectrum was intentionally incendiary, a cocktail of obfuscation designed for disruption and sown to raise discomfort and controversy.
In your opinion, can men be feminists? Why, or why not?
JacksonNought comments on Jun 10, 2020:
Yes, anyone can subscribe to an ideology, even if it does not apply to them or denigrates them. For example, women can be misogynists (like hardcore religious women who think they shouldn't have the right to vote and must be subjugated), you can have homosexual homophobes (like the ones who go ...
govols replies on Jun 10, 2020:
There is no such thing as equality among individuals or populations. It's an abstract quality of law, soul, faith, philosophy...but never reality. When any class of entity is isolated to an identity it is being categorized as not the same as--not equivalent to--all or any other categories.
When people use the statistic that whites are killed by cops more: Leftists: “well of course ...
maxmaccc comments on Jun 10, 2020:
Right-wing mis-defining "Leftists" yet again. All to try and take control of the narrative.The Right incorrectly interpret stating facts as "Leftist propaganda". The facts and the stats are immune and unchanging to political bias.
govols replies on Jun 10, 2020:
There is no definition of the left. Or the right.
Do you feel guilt and shame due to the color of your skin?
Pand0ro comments on Jun 10, 2020:
Every human being is racist. It is a result of the genetic programming that made it more likely for our ancestors to have survived. It is part of the caution built into us to be vigilant of unknown situations and to mistrust other groups we encounter that seem in some ways different than us. ...
govols replies on Jun 10, 2020:
Racism isn't genetic programming, even if, to some extent, tribalism might be.
Minneapolis City Council majority announces plan to disband police department - UPI.com
FEWI comments on Jun 8, 2020:
Ellison must think we’re all idiots. Those elevated charges will not stick. He wants them to be found not guilty to ensue more violence.
govols replies on Jun 8, 2020:
Damn! and I thought I was eat up with cynicism. For many years I've thought that no "lesser charges" should be allowed to trial. If a prosecutor goes for BAD CRIME and doesn't prove it, the jury should NEVER be allowed the escape a "not guilty" verdict by convicting on lesser charges. I think much the same about pleading guilty to petty crimes to escape prosecution on more serious charges.
You may have noticed that there looks to be a copy of IDW.
WisdomWarrior9 comments on May 24, 2020:
BIG QUESTION, WHICH I`VE ASKED BEFORE, AND YOU HAVEN`T ANSWERED, WHY IS IT ONLY ME THAT, WHAT I WRITE HAS WORDS AND LETTERS SPLIT UP ALL OVER THE PLACE, NO ONE ELSE HAS!!! Is there a specific way to write on your site or what??? Still no answer from you, but it would be greatly appreciated if you ...
govols replies on May 24, 2020:
Is it just at apostrophes?
It’s easy to forget, but liberals weren’t always indistinguishable from socialists.
Naomi comments on May 20, 2020:
Hello. I believe that in America, there are liberals who aren't part of the new wave of "liberalism" that is pushed by the corrupt Democrat party that only focuses on identity politics. They suffer from the generalization of liberals, especially with contempt; libtards, etc. We have a similar ...
govols replies on May 20, 2020:
Yes, there remains a fair number of American liberals who are neither SJWs nor Progressives nor even Social Democrats. We really need to dig up some definitions and force the ideologies back into boxes we can make knowable again.
I'm not sure how this will post, but it's a series of philosophy lectures from the 90s Great Courses...
wolfhnd comments on May 18, 2020:
Would be interesting to compare it to a current production.
govols replies on May 19, 2020:
@wolfhnd, it isn't just philosophy. Reading history and analysis from pre 20th century is mind blowing. For that matter, just reading stuff my own age is a trip. I'm working through Ratzinger's Introduction to Christianity, 1968. It's a pleasure to see a mature text untainted by the 70s, 80s and beyond.
I'm not sure how this will post, but it's a series of philosophy lectures from the 90s Great Courses...
wolfhnd comments on May 18, 2020:
Would be interesting to compare it to a current production.
govols replies on May 19, 2020:
Yes it would. I certainly consume current material, but I've found quite a lot of older content that's challenging and rewarding. I'm really tripping out on some of the classical works, and especially by trying to wrap my head around the the space time in which the ideas were being developed.
Everyone in this scenario appears to be culpable. Arbery was not jogging, or innocent. [youtu.be]
MaskedRiderChris comments on May 11, 2020:
Fault on both sides, it would appear. Two vigilante wannabes who were trying to be tough guys versus a wannabe thug who may have had something to hide, is what this is shaping up as, thus far. Let's see what else pans out, I motion. But then again, to be fair and clear; every time I hear something ...
govols replies on May 11, 2020:
I never believe the initial reports on anything anymore. In fact, I almost don't care enough any longer to bother trying to keep up with current events. I'm moving about the news toward where my Dad used to be about novels: if it's any good, I'll watch the movie.
Will artificial intelligence bring a final end to free speech? [youtube.com]
govols comments on May 8, 2020:
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk were talking about this in his latest cast. Elon figures we might as well borg up with our phones and whatever AI might develop just so that humans can go along for the ride. I was a really messed up, mixed feelings sort of conversation. ...
govols replies on May 8, 2020:
The really crazy part was, think about if we could think together, a near instantaneous exchange of ideas and reaction, without having to mediate the ideas through language. How would we become to think if we didn't any longer think in words?
Careful there...
govols comments on May 7, 2020:
Oh HELL yes! Imma gonna do that some time when I've had a really bad day, just to cheer me up.
govols replies on May 7, 2020:
I rarely have really bad days....it may be a while.
This group seems like the best place to discuss social-biology.
govols comments on May 7, 2020:
I think this interview presents an interesting collection of ideas that ought to be more widely considered and explored.
govols replies on May 7, 2020:
Interesting. My comment to this post didn't float to the top.
The rules of influence are reversed in an ideological environment like the internet.
wolfhnd comments on May 4, 2020:
Certainly there is an interface between the ideological and the physical. We would not be seeing and reading this without a physical brain and mind. We would not have acquired language without the "language instinct" which has a genetic basis. We would not have acquired written language without a...
govols replies on May 7, 2020:
@wolfhnd, I'm gonna have slow read this series and bring it up as a new topic.
VDH: They have come not to praise Joe Biden, but to bury him.
govols comments on May 6, 2020:
Page not found?
govols replies on May 6, 2020:
Thanks! WTF are we going to see over the summer and fall?!? Insanity, embodied, all around us....
The rules of influence are reversed in an ideological environment like the internet.
wolfhnd comments on May 4, 2020:
Certainly there is an interface between the ideological and the physical. We would not be seeing and reading this without a physical brain and mind. We would not have acquired language without the "language instinct" which has a genetic basis. We would not have acquired written language without a...
govols replies on May 4, 2020:
@wolfhnd What are you meaning by fast and slow life.
Glenn Beck defends Communism, opposes Socialism. [youtube.com]
govols comments on May 1, 2020:
Glen has come a long way. I think many of us see massive flaws in current modes of social and political being. We're currently being screwed. Communitarian existence is lost to many of us. We don't have neighbors, often, much less a community. Communism is a universal industrial tribalism where we ...
govols replies on May 2, 2020:
@dd54 Poorly played sarcasm. No I'll will intended.
Human imagination – at once our greatest glory and our worst curse.
govols comments on May 1, 2020:
I like the starting point.
govols replies on May 1, 2020:
@wolfhnd That's why I kicked back up the page when I was too busy to formulate a decent reply. This is the sort of topics I get great jollies from.
Do you have the "walk-ahead-of-your-wife" symptom?
govols comments on May 1, 2020:
Was there a link you meant to include? She and I walk about differently depending on the mission, which one more or less shares the goal, whether we just lagging about, crowd density...on and on. I did do a Google search. The first click lost my interest pretty quickly.
govols replies on May 1, 2020:
@Naomi Okay,it was worth further exploration. Quora was funny as hell.
ALEC Leading Right-Wing Campaign to Reopen the Economy Despite COVID-19 [exposedbycmd.org]
govols comments on Apr 30, 2020:
You do realize the economy is widely and broadly open, don't you? Aren't you still feeding and posting to the internet? Power, water, transportation, Amazon, pizza deliveries, Home Depot, gas stations and convenience stores...on and on it goes. If GDP is down 10%, 90% of the economy is open. ...
govols replies on May 1, 2020:
@Aaharwood I'm just saying the economy isn't shut down and can't possibly BE shut down. Therefore, allow all willing to open to open. It's not two positions.
ALEC Leading Right-Wing Campaign to Reopen the Economy Despite COVID-19 [exposedbycmd.org]
govols comments on Apr 30, 2020:
You do realize the economy is widely and broadly open, don't you? Aren't you still feeding and posting to the internet? Power, water, transportation, Amazon, pizza deliveries, Home Depot, gas stations and convenience stores...on and on it goes. If GDP is down 10%, 90% of the economy is open. ...
govols replies on Apr 30, 2020:
@Aaharwood And what the fuck does "white man" have to do with anything regarding this thread or my comments? Forked tongue my ass....
ALEC Leading Right-Wing Campaign to Reopen the Economy Despite COVID-19 [exposedbycmd.org]
Aaharwood comments on Apr 30, 2020:
It is the small businesses that are suffering. So what if you can get a pizza delivered. We used to own a small business. Thank God it was sold before this happened. I cannot understand people digging in their respective heels on this issue. It has never been about public health. It has always been ...
govols replies on Apr 30, 2020:
Yep. The ECONOMY is open. The only ones being punished by the closures are the margins.
ALEC Leading Right-Wing Campaign to Reopen the Economy Despite COVID-19 [exposedbycmd.org]
govols comments on Apr 30, 2020:
You do realize the economy is widely and broadly open, don't you? Aren't you still feeding and posting to the internet? Power, water, transportation, Amazon, pizza deliveries, Home Depot, gas stations and convenience stores...on and on it goes. If GDP is down 10%, 90% of the economy is open. ...
govols replies on Apr 30, 2020:
@Aaharwood What portion of the economy is shut down? Small breweries are closing, and pouring out beer, while the majors are making deliveries to wide open grocery stores. Every major chain joint is doing business out of the drive-thru, while mom and pop diners are closed. Home Depot is open but local garden shop is closed. What, exactly, is forked? Small, local, relational community businesses are the ones suffering. Not nearly so much "the economy."
ALEC Leading Right-Wing Campaign to Reopen the Economy Despite COVID-19 [exposedbycmd.org]
govols comments on Apr 30, 2020:
You do realize the economy is widely and broadly open, don't you? Aren't you still feeding and posting to the internet? Power, water, transportation, Amazon, pizza deliveries, Home Depot, gas stations and convenience stores...on and on it goes. If GDP is down 10%, 90% of the economy is open. ...
govols replies on Apr 30, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles The bit that's shut down has as much right to be open as the mass that's open. Tell that to the authoritarians.
Serious question.
WilyRickWiles comments on Apr 29, 2020:
Going to save you some time. The two main reasons someone would have voted for either party's candidate in 2016 or will in 2020 are negative partisanship (they hate the other candidate) and harm reduction (they're voting for the lesser of two evils).
govols replies on Apr 29, 2020:
@WilyRickWiles Maybe in Biden's case, but I think Trump has more positive voters this time than in '16.
Serious question.
WilyRickWiles comments on Apr 29, 2020:
Going to save you some time. The two main reasons someone would have voted for either party's candidate in 2016 or will in 2020 are negative partisanship (they hate the other candidate) and harm reduction (they're voting for the lesser of two evils).
govols replies on Apr 29, 2020:
I just don't know that that's true. A hell of a lot of those crying on election night weren't crying because Trump won, but because Clinton lost. Now, the people laughing their asses off the next morning were mostly doing so out of relief the Clinton lost, sure, but I'm pretty sure that both candidates in '16 had their true believers--millions and millions of them.
Was the American Revolution a progressive or a conservative movement? What is your interpretation?
SteveSp comments on Apr 28, 2020:
Hannah Arendt wrote a fascinating book, *On Revolution*, in which she compares the (successful) American with (disastrous) French Revolution. Her position is that the American Revolution, and indeed all revolutions, occur spontaneously. The Founding Fathers had not intended a break with the ...
govols replies on Apr 29, 2020:
@Naomi, I haven't read any of her work and am only vaguely aware of her ideas about labor, work, and action. The basic idea that I have of her is that she thinks we're not really social creatures but political ones. In the 20th century we were so tied to our work related identities, required to make stuff to make money to meet basic needs, we have lost the ability to form up our own political ideas on how society should be governed--and to therefore meaningfully participate in the political conversation in a way that helps us work through the details. The few with the leisure to put down their work and take up politics sort of create the ideologies the rest of us are almost forced to adopt out of necessity. If a heterodox collections of political ideas find popular support, well, public opinion can shift in revolutionary ways toward those ideas. I might take up On Revolution if it ever makes it to the top of the list.
As lockdown resistance mounts, Trump courts both sides - CSMonitor.com
govols comments on Apr 28, 2020:
I'm in the 19%. I'm going out tonight for dinner and drinks. I've worked most days, shopped as necessary. I don't go to rallies or protests because I work and have a life. I don't fly a flag because, as a Southerner, it flies in my heart, and in most crowds I attend, I assume some significant ...
govols replies on Apr 28, 2020:
@Naomi It wasn't difficult at all for me to practice. Distancing is how I drive, looking ahead for congestion and adjusting my pace to avoid losing space around me. It's sort of a general rule for me most of the time anyway.
As lockdown resistance mounts, Trump courts both sides - CSMonitor.com
govols comments on Apr 28, 2020:
I'm in the 19%. I'm going out tonight for dinner and drinks. I've worked most days, shopped as necessary. I don't go to rallies or protests because I work and have a life. I don't fly a flag because, as a Southerner, it flies in my heart, and in most crowds I attend, I assume some significant ...
govols replies on Apr 28, 2020:
@Naomi Are you asking about the six foot rule, or some broader policy? I'm avoiding contact and minimizing closeness where possible.
Why do many people love conspiracies? Critical Thinking in the Fake News Era 092170 006 A - YouTube
govols comments on Apr 24, 2020:
I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories because I'm certain that no official story is a complete truth. SOMEBODY has to scratch the scabs that cover the gaps.
govols replies on Apr 25, 2020:
@ScottforKing Okay, maybe I get it. If I have a map of the world that assumes the secret global cabal, whether lead by Soros or Koch, or both, I'm also going to assume that most all aspects of official narrative are included into some conspiracy or another...and I can find in short order on the web to verify my bias. About right?
Why do many people love conspiracies? Critical Thinking in the Fake News Era 092170 006 A - YouTube
govols comments on Apr 24, 2020:
I can't do sub-titles for more than a few minutes (I got to about seven something where one of them called the Notre Dame fire an attack). What were a few of the ideas from the video that you thought were most interesting?
govols replies on Apr 25, 2020:
@Naomi, I finally got through it and I understand where we're at odds. Their whole conversation was more about susceptibility to conspiracy theories rather than about theorists themselves. Their touching on the old school theorists is in contrast to the major topic of distrust leading to searches for alternative "truths," and how the distrust itself leads to a willingness to latch onto any tightly woven theory that will fit readily into ones worldview. Is that close to how you took it?
My dogma ate my homework.
SupraLibrix comments on Apr 24, 2020:
I'm learning the culture here, I've really enjoyed the time conversing. I know I've been a bit off putting at times, it's with humility now. I spent a couple years on Facebook documenting online behavior and came up with a few epiphanies to solve the radicalism, fake news, endless cycles of ...
govols replies on Apr 24, 2020:
You're going to have to start doling out some details if you want to build interest.
Why do many people love conspiracies? Critical Thinking in the Fake News Era 092170 006 A - YouTube
govols comments on Apr 24, 2020:
I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories because I'm certain that no official story is a complete truth. SOMEBODY has to scratch the scabs that cover the gaps.
govols replies on Apr 24, 2020:
@Naomi Damn. I failed. Try again. The theorist has no choice but to be doubtfully open to new information. The starting point for the theorist is that everything I think I know is given to me from outside, by a culture with its own motivations...and it's incomplete at best. The theorists puts his ideas AND data out for peer review, and continues to revise and fill out the theory based on feedback form other theorists. The true believers buy into the the narrative because the data has been presented as a just so story and all of the pieces fit together. They "have their theory, and eat it too." They are the one who advocate and become unreasonably closed to non-supportive information or feed-back. The theorists themselves are NOT the ones with their hair on fire, shouting out their truths. The theorists are the ones who receive criticism, resolve it back into the narrative, and recast the new narrative out to the other theorists for further review. SJWs aren't theorists; they're evangelists for the latest version of the theory.
Why do many people love conspiracies? Critical Thinking in the Fake News Era 092170 006 A - YouTube
govols comments on Apr 24, 2020:
I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories because I'm certain that no official story is a complete truth. SOMEBODY has to scratch the scabs that cover the gaps.
govols replies on Apr 24, 2020:
@Naomi, the conspiracy theorist reveals the holes in the official narrative. It's the archaeologist digging around into stories for which some or most of the information is intentionally withheld from all but, and sometimes even including, the story tellers. The theorist is just digging and inspecting details that can be found for new ways to connect details to events. The theorist doesn't know the truth, but only that the official narrative is bullshit. It the followers of the theorists who think they have a truth in their hands because all they see is the just so story. Just for fun, let's compare it to the Greatest Story Ever Told: The White Male Patriarchy, or How Post Modern Neo-Marxists reinvented Western Civilization. The theorists over the past hundred fifty years weren't originally actively doing conspiracy theory, but trying to come up with novel methods for exploring history, or language, or texts because they thought that the content we have in our heads is the one we're given rather than the reality of things as we've come through reason to understand them. The modern SJW is the emergent phenomenon rather than the purpose of the theorists. They're the true believers who could never have built the foundational methods, but can only spout out the latest version of the various projects' current narratives. Maybe that makes some sense...
The God that I doubt seems ever so much greater to me than the god that most atheists don't believe ...
TimTuolomne comments on Apr 19, 2020:
I think I follow that. I dare not allow my so very limited perception of reality become a barrier to what I know. And I can't imagine how anyone who can't tell me what the weather will be tomorrow, presumes to know the Universe so well as to assert that there is no God. But that is their problem....
govols replies on Apr 20, 2020:
@TimTuolomne I would think that if Scripture is inerrant it would have to mean different things to different people just because of the sheer number of people it would have to speak to. For it to be true today it had to have been written in a way that would allow for aliens to understand it without even sharing the language. I mean, we today, if transported back to the ages in which the texts were put down, the world would would be utterly alien to us. We wouldn't understand the customs, we wouldn't understand the technology, we'd be lost. If somebody from then had a day in our world they'd be mad by supper time.
The God that I doubt seems ever so much greater to me than the god that most atheists don't believe ...
dmatic comments on Apr 20, 2020:
@govols, may I first ask what you mean by the phrase, "The God that I doubt"? Do you doubt the existence of God?....or simply the existence of gods? Thanks
govols replies on Apr 20, 2020:
@dmatic I really can't come up with a why, but I can tell you when: when I was much younger and "knew" more than I do now.
The God that I doubt seems ever so much greater to me than the god that most atheists don't believe ...
dmatic comments on Apr 20, 2020:
@govols, may I first ask what you mean by the phrase, "The God that I doubt"? Do you doubt the existence of God?....or simply the existence of gods? Thanks
govols replies on Apr 20, 2020:
The God of the Bible. On some level I think I might find it easier, had I been raised with them, to believe in one of the pagan collections.
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