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This is behaviour that is taught right out of the Quran. If you were to visit a mosque, you wouldn’t see this. They don’t teach this when there’s visitors in the mosque.

pegidacanada 7 June 27
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I Love the Apstate Prophet channel on YouTube. It must really mess with their censorship rules that a Turkish ex-muslim is criticising Islami.

Be aware that a few of his videos are very sarcastic and/or ironic jokes. They sucked me in until I read the videos' comments. I am sometimes a little slow to pick such jokes up.

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Hadith 9-5, among many others, calls for the displacement or death of infidels. A bit like the Christian "Old Testament," that told us who WE are, and threatened our enemies.

The New Testament is the current call to Christians, that tells us who God is, and ONLY calls for us to love ALL humans.

Hadith 9-5 is among Mohammed's last words, and is the CURRENT active call to Muslims. And Taqiyya is their call to lie to promote of Islam.

Islam has killed more human beings in history than any other force, disease, philosophy, dictator or country.

Sharia is totally inconsistent with our Constitution. ALL true believer Muslims must be deported. Not only “violent” Muslims are dangerous!

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Same with the Talmud.

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Sounds similar to what is taught in Christian churches as well.

Really? I must have miss something.

@Jonlongsr You didn't miss anything... "Love your enemies, turn the other cheek" and "Pray for those who persecute you" is exactly the same as Jihad 'til the last days and "I have been made victorious with terror." Bukhari (4.52.220)

You can see the similarity, can't you?

@Tycho uh huh, the Bible never once advocated for executing people for believing in a different god, or calling someone bald, or loving someone of the same sex... Never once condoned slavery or rape or genocide or human sacrifice... Never told women they must submit to men wholey and even marry their rapists, or that ugly people must be barred from churches, or people with injured genitals will be condemned to hell... Nope, nothing violent or reprehensible in the Bible...

@JacksonNought The Bible? I thought you said Christian churches? I don't recall Jesus or the Apostles condoning those things.

And why is anyone criticizing Islam or the Koran immediately met with comparisons to the Old Testament? It's as if you saying "Well, the ancient Jews did it, so it must be okay for everyone else afterword." If it was wrong for them, it's wrong for Islam.

@Tycho no argument from me! I think Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all horrible violent misogynistic racist brainwashing religions. Definitely not excusing Islam or saying it is peaceful. Making the same argument you are, just on the other side, where plenty of people will condemn Islam while excusing all of the horrible things in Christianity.

@JacksonNought Okay, back to "what's being taught in Christian churches." What violent, misogynistic, racist teachings are being taught in Christian churches? Don't just make the claim, give examples.

It's true you might find a church here or there teaching such things. Rev. Wright's church that Obama attended for example... The worst I find is the "Prosperity Gospel" of so many modern churches combined with an "Israel Uber Alles" attitude (Benny Hinn, Joel Ostein, John Hagee, et al) Even a non-Christian like me can see that's not real Christianity.

But Violence and the rest?

@Tycho the "No True Scotsman" fallacy is used a lot with Christianity. If it paints Christianity negatively, it must not be real Christianity. If someone commits a violent act in the name of Christianity, they weren't a real Christian. In 2014, Isaiah Zoar Marin murdered one of his classmates with a machete, after consuming hours of Christian YouTube videos, and consistently posting on Facebook about Christianity and God and fighting demons. He accused his victim of practicing witchcraft, and murdered him in the name of God. The authorities made a statement that it didn't appear that the murder had any religious motivation to it.

Now look at Islam. How many people who claim violent acts aren't Christian will then turn around and label any violent act by a Muslim as being authentic Islam? How many people who deny Christian extremist terrorism is representative of Christianity will then say that Islamic extremist terrorism is representative of Islam as a whole. When a Muslim person commits a murder in the name of their religion, why do people claim they are real Muslims, when they would deny the same of any Christian? When a Muslim does something violent or mean, people will shout that it is condoned in the Quran, but they will ignore similar endorsement in the Bible when a Christian does the same.

Christian missionaries, such as Scott Lively, went to Uganda and helped them to develop a "kill the gays" law. There is rampant pedophilia and sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Evangelicals, like Mike Pence, want to use taxpayer dollars to fund "gay conversion" which is often forced on minors by their conservative families, and can include electroshock and other psychological torture, often leading to suicide. Many Christians want to pass superficial bills saying we cannot enact Sharia Law in the US, but then at the same time they want the Bible to be the law of the land over the Constitution. You often see Christians vandalize things they don't agree with, such as trashing a public park which had a sign saying it was sponsored by a local Satanist group, and destroying American Atheist billboards and displays. Evangelicals back Trump, claiming he was chosen by God to be the president, and excuse his completely anti-Christian behavior. Most Christians teach that women cannot speak or lead in Churches, and must submit fully to men in every way - look at extremely popular YouTubers like Girl Defined or Paul & Morgan who espouse these beliefs, or even right-wing darling Kaitlin Bennett, who thinks women shouldn't be allowed to vote and Trump should be declared a king. Christians used the Bible to justify slavery, and then to support anti-miscegenation laws, and then to try and prevent marriage equality - they selectively use their religion to discriminate and skirt the law. Not only in the US, even in the UK and other countries, it was (and in some places still is) illegal just to be gay, and two consenting adults could be arrested for what they did in the privacy of their own homes. When a Christian cult in Panama, calling themselves The New Light of God, massacred a group of people, Christians try to label them as Satanists, despite their extremist Christian views.

You already mentioned Prosperity, with despicable snake oil salesman getting filthy rich off of their brainwashed masses, thinking they can buy their way into heaven - and pastors thinking they can "blow" COVID away. I won't even get into Westboro.

Like I said before, I see both Islam and Christianity, as well as Judaism and many other organized religions, as despicable and controlling and violent. I don't try to make excuses for one while condemning the other. Can you tell me what makes a definitive Christian, and provide examples of people who are real Christians? Would you consider many of the angry, instigating, insulting, and discriminating Christians who comment on this site "real Christians"?

@JacksonNought Again, what violence etc. is being taught in Christian churches? It's not a "no true Scotsman," argument. No, you're trying to use the "some, therefore all'" fallacy."

Not being a Christian myself I can only say that the New Testament defines Christianity... The Koran defines Islam, etc. I don't recall anything so violent, racist, misogynistic, and degenerate as the Koran.
Check out Acts 17 Apologetics or David Wood on Youtube. (If they haven't banned him yet)

@Tycho I don't engage in apologetics. I am familiar with many of them, like Sye Ten, where they basically try to use circular logic and try to win with mind games.

I am not using a "some, therefore all" fallacy at all. I fully recognize that there are decent Christians out there, and churches where nothing but peace and love and charity is taught. Just as I recognize the same about Islam, Judaism, and all major religions. My original comment was actually calling out a "some, therefore all" fallacy of the original poster, where they are trying to equate all Muslims with what one random person is tweeting about.

You really don't see violence being taught in Christian churches? They teach that women must stay with their abusive husbands, and submit sexually to them whenever they want, as they will burn in hell if they disobey. They teach that it is the fault of the woman if a man rapes her, she must have been a temptress and invited it. The Catholic Church tells its flock to shield them from consequences of their pedophilia. They teach parents to disown their children for being gay, kicking them onto the streets when they are young and have nowhere to go, or as an alternative they can be shipped away to conversion centers. Remember the Crusades? They taught people to go around forcing conversion with violence, killing all blasphemers. If we're talking Christian Scientist, which is a true sect of Christianity, they teach to let kids die of disease because they'd rather pray for healing rather than practice any form of medicine. Can you really not see any violence or hatred taught in Christian churches?

@JacksonNought "... they basically try to use circular logic and try to win with mind games."

"They teach that women must stay with their abusive husbands, and submit sexually to them whenever they want, as they will burn in hell if they disobey."

"They teach parents to disown their children for being gay, kicking them onto the streets when they are young..."

"Can you really not see any violence or hatred taught in Christian churches?"

Some, therefor all. Again.

Can you show me any of this in the New Testament?

@JacksonNought You have to go to the doctrine. People are people, and are sinful. The Christian (Jesus) doctrine teaches love the Lord your God and your neighbour as yourself. The whole bible points to Christ and his message. Do people keep this command? For the most part, no, but nevertheless, that is his message. Islam, on the other hand, teaches death to non Muslims, death to apostates and hatred for non Muslims. Do all Muslims follow this? No. But it is in their holy books, Mohammad lived this life, condoned this life, taught this life.

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