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Hate Trump - Love Trump?
I am not a fan of the Donald. Never was. His television show was schlock...like almost everything TV has to offer.
I do not hate the man and I certainly do not love him. I suspect there are more people who feel that way about him than anyone cares to think.

The sad and tragic reality is that Politics is schlock - and until Trump came along politics was a "closed shop". Would be interlopers were systematically kept out.
The two party system is a very clever shell game.

Trump is neither Democrat nor Republican. He is a nouveau political party unto himself. Therein lies his appeal to the voting masses.
Make no mistake about it - Republicans hate Trump as much as do Democrats. This pleases almost anybody who is close attention.

So, with all that in mind - how could anyone justify voting for anyone else besides Trump?

Lets stick it to the man for another 4 years - Vote Trump!
What do we have to lose?

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BINGO!!!!

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I'm not sure your poll works...
But I agree with most of the sentiments in the post.

that's ok - the poll is just for fun anyhow - more interested in comments about Trump - whether or not you like him (not as POTUS but as a person) and why. I see Trump as a very unprofessional POTUS - more fit for Schlocky tv content but his heart is in the right place and because of that Trump is the best we can hope for in a POTUS when all the Dems and Repubes are swamp rat professional politicians.
Trump wins by default. IMHO.
I will vote Trump - never said I wouldn't. But we have to be honest about it. If the traditional two party political system was NOT so profoundly corrupted Trump could never have become POTUS in the first place. He isn't exactly a great "Statesman" - is he. LOL No he is not.

I'm curious as to what you consider a "professional" POTUS. It seems like people think presidents should look and act a certain way, and since the 70s, we seem to have had this variation on at theme, a la Kennedy. Even Reagan, as much as I liked him, still had this suave sophistication that people think presidents should have. But there were others cut from a different cloth. What about Grant and T. Roosevelt and Eisenhower? Garfield, Hayes, Arthur and McKinley. Not every president was an FDR. Even Lincoln was considered "unsophisticated". I think we somehow became snobs when it came to presidents. We are seen as a country by the world as roughnecks, aggressive cowboys who loudly go in and take control... even with all the "sophisticated" presidents we've had... and most of those sophisticated leaders really haven't done us much good. It's just interesting that people have this view on how a president and first lady should be as if they were royalty.

@ktpinto "professional" POTUS is not synonymous with "good" or "ethical" or even "moral". A professional POTUS is one who has intimate knowledge and influence within the framework of Washington DC that has been built of years of working in the field.
Politics is a profession just as is Medical practice, legal practice, architecture...you wouldn't expect the son of the good doctor, lawyer, architect to take over operations after good ol dad retires unless that "son" had the credentials to do so. Because if it happened that way it wouls spell disaster for the business, the employees and the clientele.

A professional POTUS will know who to manipulate and how to go about doing that with people in the Legislature, the Judiciary, the Dept of Justice etc. One example of a "professional" POTUS would be the reprehensible Lyndon B Johnson.

Also a Head of State should be polished IMHO. Should have an air of confidence in his ability to lead. He should carry himself with a level of decorum fitting of a Head of State.

Trump is none of those things. As a complete Washington DC outsider he hasn't a clue who to turn to - how to manipulate anyone - much less who to trust and NOT to trust. As for Decorum Trump does not conduct himself with that air of confidence - he's more like a teenager who has been left in charge of the household while Dad is gone off to war - or some such. Certainly well meaning (I mean he the proverbial teen left in charge) doesn't set out to do harm he just lacks the skills necessary to safely navigate the throes of everyday life.

As I said - Trump does not have mal-intent. He is well meaning. I think he loves his country. But he is ill equipped to do so.

And again I will say even with all of his lack of qualification Trump is the better choice than anyone the Dems come up with.
This is a horrible place for USA to be in. When a Donald Trump is the obvious better of the two options in Electoral Politics.

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I think it’s fair to say that Trump is an imperfect messenger. But it’s a message that we’ve desperately needed to hear spoken. If you can point to a single politician since Ronald Reagan who’s even attempted to give voice to that message, I’d love to hear about them.

The thing about Trump: he actually believes it. Sure, he’s unpolished, not always focused, he gets distracted and his communication skills are crude at best. But if you take the idea of a deep state seriously, if you believe that an organized effort on the part of the left to tear this country down is in full swing, who else is standing in their way? Alone. That’s why I support Trump.

I completely agree

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "schlock," but I agree that Trump has often seemed to be playing more of a cheesy PR game than campaigning for or holding the highest office in a country built on the principles of reason that went into our U.S. Constitution. I could write for thousands and thousands of words about my differences with Trump, but I'll give one example.

As part of his initial campaign to come across as a friend to the American worker, one campaign promise through 2015 and the early part of 2016 was that he would radically reform the H1B visa process. Companies, particularly tech companies, use these visas to replace American workers with low-cost foreign worker in the IT fields. The point of these visas was to give companies access to workers when the American workforce couldn't fill needs, but companies have been misusing the program to dump American IT professionals. I agreed with Trump on the need for reform of this program.

During a debate before the Iowa caucuses, Trump suddenly said in answer to a question that he had changed his mind. Instead, he was going to expand the H1B visa program so that any foreigner who graduated from a U.S. university could stay in the United States, get a job, and help our economy. That was an old Mitt Romney line from 2012. I liked Mitt Romney back then, but I still thought that was a stupid line when Romney said it in 2012. To hear that kind of flip-flop from Trump in 2016 only confirmed the other misgivings that I had about him.

Within about five or six hours, his campaign website retracted that idea. His website said that he wasn't going to expand the H1B visa program to let more foreigners work here. He said that he was still supporting all of the H1B reform that he had been promoting throughout his campaign to that point.

Within about two weeks, he and his campaign were saying that he just misunderstood the question. That assertion was even stupider. From the way he answered the question, he was clearly advocating something very different from what he'd said to that point. I don't know what he was really doing or thinking, but he did major flips and flops on the issue in a short period of time. Claiming that he didn't understand the question became a common theme during his campaign.

His supporters claim that all of this kind of stuff is just him engaging in showmanship. Many of them insist that this kind of showmanship was somehow a good thing. Maybe that showmanship was what was necessary to get many people to vote, but if we've reached a point where that kind of showmanship is necessary to get people to vote to defeat Clinton, then our country is lost. If we're really so shallow that we won't vote for good policies in a dull package, we're not worthy of the rights and responsibilities of the U.S. Constitution. If that's what you mean by "schlock," then I'm afraid a country that only responds to "schlock" is a country too shallow for freedom.

Trump has mostly done a fairly good job. In some areas, he's done very well. In other areas, he still seems to be all over the place. In those areas, he still seems to be the guy who's going to be against H1B visas, and then suddenly for them, and then suddenly against them again. I can't trust someone like that. As I get older, my trust for any of them becomes lower and lower.

I live in a state that Trump will win by a landslide. He'll probably have the highest vote percentage here than he will any other state. That gives me the freedom to cast a protest vote if I wish, but I will probably vote for him just to say to the Democrats that I recognize them an anti-American and enemies of the United States.

If we have an honest election, I believe that Trump will win another term. However, I also worry that the Democrat governors of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan will engage in election fraud to try to change the outcome this time. The COVID-19 scam and the riots have created conditions that will make election fraud easier. Without these, I think Trump would have won by such a big margin that they couldn't cheat enough to stop him.

Somehow It never occurred to me that anyone on this site would not know what "schlock" means and how it is an apt adjective for the likes of a DJ Trump and for television/cable/hollywood content...oh and Andy Warhol shit too...LOL Here you go my friend:

Synonyms & Antonyms for schlock
Synonyms

bad, bargain-basement, bum, cheap, cheapjack, cheesy, coarse, common, crappy [slang], cut-rate, el cheapo, execrable, gimcrack, inferior, junky, lousy, low-grade, low-rent, mediocre, miserable, poor, rotten, rubbishy, second-rate, shoddy, sleazy, terrible, trashy, trumpery, wretched

Antonyms

excellent, fine, first-class, first-rate, good, high-grade, superior, top-notch

@iThink schlock
/ʃlɒk/
nouninformal•North American
noun: schlock

cheap or inferior goods or material; trash.
"mass-produced schlock"
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I understand why people say that they don't like Trump even when they do. People have lost their jobs over showing support from Trump. The fascist left will ruin your life if you express an opinion different to theirs in any way. Cancel culture is killing the planet right now. It's the biggest threat that we face right - shutting down discussion, challenge, and debate.

The left are even losing their sh_t over people buying beans, because the CEO of the company said that he supports trump.

Saying that, the left will keep getting stronger until the people in the center start standing up to them.

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Trump 2020 !!!

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I see another one of those boxes created and propagandized by the Cult of Might Makes Right.

Their game plan includes a shell game type fraud purporting to offer "the" choices available. This is also part and parcel to the Monopoly Game where competition is never allowed if it is within the power of the Monopolists to CRUSH all competition anywhere it may spontaneously erupt out of grass roots.

Voting in an (rigged) Electoral Politics (crime spree) "Election" was known to be Oligarchical: leading to the most powerful criminal gangs to take-over and counterfeit the principles and the means governing government..

So...

A. Disagree!
B. Are you nuts? I'm writing in Kanye!
C. None of the above (let them eat cake)

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Agreed. I haven't seen anyone yet who can go against China, get along ok with Russia.
I don't like Merkel, so it makes sense she's giving China ALL EU money to defeat trump.
Other people's money. I found Trump CARES, is genuine. I don't like his style, but it WORKS.
Biden is a sex perv, Communist, bad news.
Don't they have any YOUNGER, SANE person?

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"Liking someone " is very subjective and often based on mistaken perceptions distorted by MSM. His actions, toughness, negotiation
and communication intelligence, these are the traits that create great leadership.

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Agree or disagree with WHAT? You asked 2 opposing questions, and based them on some debatable premises.

Practically every moron who depends on someone else to tell them what to think, and listens to the socialists only too happy to tell them, believes the propaganda that Trump is evil. It is up to us to gently, lovingly ridicule these gullible Utopian idealists. Now is the time. The American and European Left are openly showing who they are, which is tending to leave their devoted followers shaken. Time to bear down on them.

No gentle leader could have withstood the withering and illegal inquisition by the American Left. The very strength and toughness of character is what they attack as "character flaw," which is actually the only effective defense against their uncivility.

Well said!

are you being intentionally obtuse or what...my comment is "opinion" - clearly - agree or disagree with it as you will. that's WHAT.

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