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Spot on as always.

ThoughtCriminal 6 Aug 18
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I find often problems with either my thinking or the thinking I get from listening to Jordan Peterson.

Examples:

  1. He says responsibility in context in which I am immediately inspired to say no. There is the ability to respond, and there is accountability, one is not the other, and it sounds to me like Jordan Peterson conflates the two into one, which in his words muddies the waters (self-deception, or failure to be accountable).

I really like how Jordan Peterson asks the audience to think about that, and how he supposes that this or that is worth the effort to consider, both of which, to me, is self-imposed accountability.

To express why I think the waters are muddied when conflating both responsibility and accountability as if it were one thing, I can say that response-ability is what someone can do as the present turns into the future. Someone is presented with a situation in real time and they have an ability to respond in those dynamic situations whereby the past turns into the future they have the power to affect.

Response-ability is present tense phenomenon, where people act based upon many factors including instinctual responses, thoughtful responses, thoughtless responses, moral responses, amoral responses, immoral responses, etc.

Accountability, on the other hand, is present tense phenomenon (the past is dependent upon memory and the future is dependent upon imagination/creativity) that looks into memory to judge the responses acted out by the actor acting out responses, or failing to act out responses.

Conflating the two phenomenon into one, to me, tends to relieve the individual from accountability for both the credit earned by moral responses ("being responsible" ) and the credit earned by immoral responses (not "being responsible" ), which then sends the thinking on a path looking for causes outside the individuals power to respond (response-ability) which is to reject the individuals accountability and place accountability external to the individual.

Case in point at the end of the above video at Time 8:30 or so... "...he is carried by societal pathology..."

There it is, the gun did it.

The individual is not accountable for that murder, the gun did it.

There it is, the ideology did it.

The individual is not accountable for that ideology, the ideology carried away the victim. It wasn't a responsible Fox outfoxing a victim, it was an ideology that did it, so blame the ideology.

There it is, not a gang of criminals accountable for using their criminal means (deception, extortion, aggressive violence) to consume their victims, it was societal pathology that carried away the victim who is accountable for failing to respond morally when facing clearly accountable deceivers.

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Last I heard he got Covid and was still having medication problems. Macalia talked about it recently.

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Have you heard further on how he is doing health wise? Not up to date.

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