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Do you support abortions? Why/ why not?

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edgyberry 6 Mar 1
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The one place a baby should be safe is in it’s mothers womb.

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Abortion is murder. I gave the benefit of the doubt to confused adolescents who panicked in the first trimester, and I always conceded the two standard caveats of rape and 's health. I can understand the motivation in the case of rape. These acute ethical quandaries are personal and rare. I won't discuss these. In extreme medical emergencies, amputations, and life threatening treatments are implemented every day. This is not at issue here. The abomination of murder in the delivery room advocated by the Democrat Party has, for me, taken the issue off of the table, and has proven the slippery slope of leftist ideology. All abortion is murder. The abortion industry is the equivalent of the Nazi concentration camps and the Democrat Slave Plantations of the American Confederacy. Recently the U.S. Senate refused to grant children born alive the personal sovereignty of any other living human American Citizen. The American child now has less protection than a Sea Turtle Egg. It is clear that the Washington Elite has Declared War on the U.S. Citizen and will now us in the cradle. They refuse to protect our border so that they may replace us with foreign nationals to work as slaves to the state in our factories and our fields. Abortion is murder, every single one is murder.

Yes, “the slippery slope”. A great analogy. That is why you set the bar high to begin with. Well said.

How does the father's crime (being a rapist) justify condemning the baby to death? That's my question to those who say rape or incest can justify abortion.

@AKgrandma and it’s a good question. I’m not someone who has given this one a lot of thought, but certainly “the father’s crime” isn’t the only extenuating circumstance.

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Well, its a complex issue. So let me clarify.

My then girlfriend became pregnant with a baby. We had a rocky relationship, and when she told me, my first go-to thought was "Abort". She refused. At the pre-natal scans we found out that our child was likely to be born with Down Syndrome, at which point I said "ABORT!". She refused. We got married, baby was born with loadsa complications - TOF-OA, PDA, and blood with far too many blood cells, amongst other problems. After our first night in the SKBU, and being traumatised by the whole damn process, and - and this bit is crucial - as "just the father", people treat you as a piece of furniture that gets in the way rather than actually being involved, and thus I felt massively out of the loop on decision making and even knowing who and what to ask about anything.
So in the first few days in hospital, I was muttering to myself, "just fucking die and all this stress and trauma will go away".
And then he looked at me, looked right into the core of my being, and I fell totally in love with him.

So here we all are, some 20 years later. He's a cheerful young man, with Down's and a touch of autism. He has significant speech delay, but he is a total ray of sunshine in my life. As Garrison Kiellor once wrote, "we're still married". We also have a big snarky 18yo son who followed soon after. He's emotionally far harder work than the first.

I look back with horror at the man I was when he was born, in a similar fashion to Liam (looking for a black guy to kill) Neeson. Now the crucial bit.
As soon as the scans were in, the Hospital were 'Oh so positive' about arranging an abortion, practically wheeling my SO into the Theatre if we didn't get out of the building fast enough. The intention to keep the child raised eyebrows, with a sucking of teeth.

But looking back on the years he's been here, the early years with the long hospital stays, the frequent operations and the hard dedicated work put in by outreach workers, the Portage scheme, and everyone else, I can honestly say, despite all the trauma, that he's the greatest present the Universe could have given me, but I did not realise it at the time. He is loved by all who meet him, and he has had, so far, a really great life. He brings joy to me and his mum every day. He's taught me far more about being human than anything else I can think of. I'm proud to call him my son.

So what about the Abortion question?

If you must have an abortion, think about it far more seriously than you might. There is a fashion now in some circles where having an abortion is seen morally as the same as having a bad tattoo. This is recent, as two of my friends had abortions when they were a lot younger and both agonised over the decision, which is only right. Having an abortion is the most serious thing it is possible for a young woman to normally do, outside of military service.
So if you must have an abortion, grieve for the life experiences you are about to destroy, as well as the child. And you should only get 20 weeks. After that, the child has the total right to live, either with you as its parent, or with someone else.

What a powerful story. Thank you for sharing it.

I grew up around a slightly older (chronilogically) Down's Syndrome girl. JoAnn taught me so very much about what love is; about patience; about humor; about beauty. These people are a gift from God. "Of such is the kingdom of heaven." And Iceland had determined to eliminate them all.

@AKgrandma That is Iceland's loss. I understand that the Icelandic have a relatively narrow gene pool, and so may feel the need to "cleanse" it, but Down's Syndrome cannot be transmitted as such. So really, the Icelandic are saying "we really don't care for others less fortunate". I'm not impressed, despite all their virtue signalling.

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I consider human life to be endowed with basic human rights at the moment a genetic human identity is created.
Ending any human life, during any developmental stage during an individual's life cycle, should only be done as a last resort in the most specific and extreme cases.

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Having had an abortion many years ago, I support a woman's right to choose to terminate during the embryonic stage, the first 12 weeks. After that, is the fetus stage, and abortions except under unusual circumstances (medical issues of fetus and mother) should be provided only with a court order. Killing a later term unborn baby is murder, pure and simple.

How about at 11 Weeks, 10 weeks? How does one decide when life begins, or is it arbitrary? Im not making any negative remarks toward you or anyone else, im simply asking an honest question.

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Why is it "death" when the heart stops but not "life" when it starts?

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Conception is the start of life. Sexual accountability can prevent pregnancy. Creating life is a choice Murder shouldn’t be an excuse for bad decision making.

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I believe there is enough information in regards to the prevention ( contraception) of unwanted pregnancies. There are also many loving potential parents, that are willing to adopt.
I feel abortion is only necessary where there is sufficient evidence to suggest the foetus is either not viable (Will not survive or will live in a vegative state )

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Yes and no. I'm all for pro-choice only if the same option is extended to men. Women should not be able to abort just because they aren't ready for a child unless men also have the option to say he is not ready and no responsibility at all be forced on him by the courts. If men are told they know the consequences when they have sex and are held accountable for the action then women should be held to the same standard. I would support abortion in the first trimester only if men also had reproductive rights but the way it is now I won't support it at all. I won't right against it either, I just sit out on the topic.

That is the most brilliant comment on the Pro-Choice argument.

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I’m reading down through these comments and the word “belief” keeps popping up. If we are arguing for effect your statement of belief is nothing without a backing rationale. Not your religion, and not your feelings. I say that there needs to be a solid, evidence based statement which positively shows that a fetus is not a human up to a certain stage. If we can’t do that, we can’t in good conscience kill it. The pro side hasn’t made the opposite case, and I say we have to stay on the side of life until someone unequivocally does this.

The fact that once the process as started, and without an active attempt to destroy the fetus it will become a human child. Of course there is the extremely small exceptions.

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I don't believe abortion is ok at all. What right do I have being a 60 year old man. It became my right to voice my opinion when it became a law. Now the abortion privilege is being abused and we all know it. Sixty one million abortions in this country since 1973, talk of infanticide. Extreme laws are being passed. Some prefer to call an unborn baby an unborn baby, and thus consider it murder. A fetus is a name given after 8 weeks, as an embryo is the first 8. It describes a stage of devolepment like infancy, adolescence. It in no way, since 1594, was used to lessen humanity.

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If someone wants an abortion it is not my business, nor is it my responsibility.

Yes, this reminds me of the bumper sticker I saw: “Against abortion? Don’t have one!” It completely short circuits any logic or evidence. The question is whether or not abortion is murder. The logical extension of that thought process is, “Don’t like murder? Don’t commit one!” As if anyone is free to do whatever, and it’s not your business as long as you are not committing the act. Not exactly well thought out.

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It's murder for convenience.

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I believe pregnancy is a gift starting at the moment of fertilization. And, at that moment, it's no longer about you and what you want. It's about what the baby needs. You can get back to what you want in nine months if need be. I also feel you should be accountable for your sex life, do not impose your payment on me.

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It's a sad society that makes money from killing its own offspring. We deserve to be hit by an asteroid.

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So many are saying they are Pro-Choice.............But no concern about those that are not given the choice to breathe air. No concern about the fact that a baby is being torn apart to satisfy the choice of those that have ripped the choice to live from them while being killed within the womb.

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It seems to me that taking an action to knowing stop the development of another human being is not moral. I do take issue with claims that this is a discussion between a woman and her doctor. Adoption is always a good option. Fathers should always be part of any discussion of the well-being of their children.

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I love my sons and I feel hugely blessed to be a mother. As a Christian I, feel that we each have a personal relationship with the Lord and we will each have to answer for the choices we make in life when our lives come to an end. I, personally, feel that life begins at conception and in believing that, I feel abortion to be murder. Should the woman "choosing" to undergo the abortion procedure or the doctor performing the abortion be prosecuted under the law; should Roe V. Wade, the case used to decriminalize abortion be reversed? No. Should abortion be publicly funded though Medicaid or any other publicly funded health plan? No. As a taxpayer, I should not be asked to fund the murder of another human being. And "No" I don't support the death penalty either.

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I think there needs to be a distinction between a medical procedure to save a human life. And birth control via murder

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I don't believe we can absolutely abolish abortion however late term ........well its sad that the termination of a life is a little proceedure you do in the morning before going to brunch or buying a new scarf. The complacency with which we dole out this form of murder defies comprehension.

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Do I support abortion procedures directly? No. Am I pro choice (meaning I respect the choices others make regardless if I agree or not), yes. I care not about the personal decisions others make.

My only thought is when does a fetus gain human rights? Bc at that point regardless of whether that baby human exists inside of another adult human, baby has rights to life, liberty...

@Rus-T-Balls Rights are granted upon receiving a birth certificate. To each his/her own on that I say though...

@SpikeTalon seems a little late to me, but idk

@Rus-T-Balls IMO the fetus becomes a life once it is possible for it to survivee outside of the womb. If it must have the mother in order to maintain life then by all definitions it would be a parasite in some ways. I don't think late term abortions are good at all but if it's the first trimester, maybe up until half way thru the pregnancy, I think abortion is allowable. After that it's a no go IMO.

I can’t believe this vein of logic. What, exactly would it be OK for me to do in your world as long as it’s “my personal choice”? Where would you draw the line?

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All life has value. I believe our creator intended us to be responsible stewards of the earth and part of that is bringing new humans onto the earth responsibly. We should bear our own children so we don't feel the need to import them.

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When I can stop worrying constantly about how I'm going to pay my next bill just to survive, I'll think about it.

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As a political movement, I'm most sympathetic to the Pro-Life side. However, the one - and only one - thing I agreed with Bill Clinton on was that abortions should be "safe, legal, and RARE."

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It’s the law. Though I personally disagree with the premis it is the law and without a rule of law you have anarchy. I support pro life and will help to CHANGE the law but as long as it is legal we have to recognize that it’s a law and abide by the rule till it is changed.

Much respect on respecting the law even when u disagree. I wish more people looked at things like u.

I think the citizens of Dresden, Germany held a similar sentiment of their nation's laws.

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