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Conservative = Close Minded, Liberal = Open Minded. How true is this statement?
Mr. Peterson has made this observation several times in his lectures on personality. He was referring to personality traits and how they seem to relate to political affiliation.
However, I've noticed that in Liberal households creative answers to questions are highly valued, while conservative households expect factual and reality based answers.
Secondly, it seems to me that ideology on the left and right can shut down creativity.
My question is this: Does Open-mindedness and Closed mindedness reflect the values of political groups or is there truly a personality trait that indicates which political party a person will side with?
Is it nature or nurture or both? (And any references to studies would be greatly appreciated.)

AlexisS 5 Mar 11
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I would suggest that you read Jonathan Haidt's book "Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion". He delves into the ways that different ideologies approach life. Also Kim Holmes wrote "The Closing of the Liberal Mind" which is a fascinating read for anyone who has had to deal with a so-called open minded Liberal. These books will answer your questions!

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I believe this is a limiting statement. You will find both closed minded and open minded in the liberal camp and the conservative camp. This is the same with any label that can be placed on groups. Most large groups are far too diverse to accurately apply such a label.

The key to positive change is to openly and respectfully listening to all points of view. Additionally, it is key to understand that just because another individual disagrees with you, does not mean they are closed minded, it just means they have a different point of view. Lack of agreement does not equal closed minded.

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I think one phenomenon we are dealing with is the flattening of the distribution curve. So when we traditionally think about conservatives they were the establishment who saw change a slow planned evolutionary process. Where institutions were enablers of change. Where as liberals saw the institution as preventing change and were more idealistic about the value of ideas and how they good revolutionize the human experience. With the glttening of the curve the person one std devotion to the left now has a greater degree of difference to someone one std deviation to the right. Therefore they find it harder to accept the alternative point of view. However what is really happening from a societal point of view that we are all feeling is that there are more people at the extremes of left and right and their behaviors are so uncharacteristic that they confuse the definitions. To my my a left extremist is exactly the same as a right extremist. No tolerance for any other point of view, totally dissatisfied with how society functions and wants it remade in their image, are only interested in power to achieve this regardless of the cost, the ends always justifies the means. Modern communication systems have unfortunately given them a voice out of perspective with their representation in the population.

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Here's the main point from my perspective. People on the political right value empiricism and look at reality. Leftists are more idealists and value emotional fulfillment. So it's more a dichotomy of mind vs. emotion rather than open/closed- mindedness.

Hmmm... as a leftist I view things as exactly opposite. I suppose that is an indication that we are both right, and both wrong. Political psychology is a growing field, so maybe we can both be empirical in exploring the difference...

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Willingness to try new things and seek new experiences is a liberal perspective. Do not misconstrue the progressive movement which while leftist is utterly illiberal. Today you are more likely to find an open minded fiscal conservative than you would in finding a college professor. The political right in the US is on the outside looking in, they are reviled in the media, and on the college campuses. The right is associated with the 'rubes' in country side. The old-guard/leadership in the GOP, which is progressive, hates their own voters. This is a recipe for being willing to listen to anyone who is not despising you.

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I think if you take an honest look on both sides of the isle, you will see equal numbers of closed minded and open minded individuals on each side. However, the close minded on both sides of the isle seem to be the loudest, drowning out the majority.

What I love about this site is that people from both sides can have an honest, open, respectful dialog.

You'r comment reminded me of this.
β€œThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”—Bertrand Russell.

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A Liberal is so 'Open Minded' that they refuse to listen to anyone that disagrees with them, will riot when a Conservative tries to speak at a Campus, will attack those that have a Trump Hate. ........... I could go on and on, but a Liberal is sooooooooooooo closed minded that their lives are ruled by their anger and hate.

I’m way too far to the left to want to be called a liberal, and I enjoy reading and listening to IDW thinkers because of what I learn from them.

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Just found this related article: Why Liberals Aren’t as Tolerant as They Think
The political left might consider itself more open-minded than the right. But research shows that liberals are just as prejudiced against conservatives as conservatives are against liberals. (By Matthew Hutson May 09, 2017) [politico.com]

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The question is hard give a black and white answer as you might have noticed with the previous comments. I would like add 'perspective' as another factor. As a Dutch immigrant, I grew up with conservative values. Immigrating to Texas I found out that I am extremely open-minded compared to the average Texan. Being open-minded is a matter of perspective towards the community you compare yourself to. Does that make me less conservative in Texas? No, I think the political climate made me even more passionate than before.

I think when you travel a new place you find that the people in that place have a common culture that is different than yours. That doesn't necessarily make you more open-minded, though the fact that you made the journey might be more indicitive of an open mind. I come from New York and now live in Texas. If find New Yorkers as close-minded on some subjects as Texans. Most people do not like change - so most people in sub-cultures will appear close-minded. I think it's the ones willing cross cultures that prove be the open-minded and its the exchange of ideas between groups that create harmony as I said below.

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Personality psychologists all agree that when it comes conservative and liberal political orientations, Personality traits openness experience and conscientiousness are closely related political orientation.
High scores in Openness and low scores in conscientiousness are more liberal. High scores in conscientiousness and lower scores in openness are more conservative.
Conscientiousness is broken down the facets industriousness and orderliness. Orderly people like borders and that makes them more conservative due order and tradition. Openness can be broken down the facets intellect and aesthetic appreciation. They like open exchange of ideas, therefore, more liberal.
And we need both for a and functional society. Too much order and the structure ossified into totalitarian dictatorships. Too much chaos and new ideas lead to authoritarianism as synonymous with compassion.

I really think it's prejudicial say that conservatives don't like exchange of ideas or are not intellectual. I think that's a bias among liberal psychologists. I think most people left or right don't like change and get ossified in their own sub-cultures. It's in the exchange between these two groups by open-minded people in both sub-groups that harmony can be restored.

@AlexisS I didn't say that conservative aren't intellectual or didn't like idea exchange. I said they like order and borders around things. Conservatives are more traditional in the sense of if things aren't broken, don't muck about with them. Liberals are more prone to embrace new ideas, even if they're bad ideas. I should have been more clear about that.

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I'd say it's strictly a personality trait.

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I think Peterson is referring more to personality than directly to political theory. By 'liberal' he means, 'eagerly embracing new ideas' and by 'conservative' he means 'holding onto old ideas'.
These often spill over into poltics. But nowadays it is kind of radical thing to go back to very old ideas as if they were fresh things... thus you have a lot of 'liberal' people on the 'conservative' side of things.

I agree with you that being on the right - especially if you come from the left is radical. But Peterson is actually talking about politics. Here is one of the lectures:

@AlexisS I agree he is talking about politics. However I believe that he is actually talking about one subset of politicians... or people interested in politics.

@VonO I'm not sure which subset that is. But apparently from the study mentioned above by Daryl Poltical affiliation is not a significant factor. "Among factors relating to belief content, left-right ideology and idealist-realist distinctions were not significant. There was a weak statistically significant measure Tetlock calls doomster-boomster relating to optimism about human potential. Generally for all these categories the moderates did somewhat better than the extremists."

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The first question you need to clarify is whether you are asking about β€œClassic Liberalism” (prior to WWI) or β€œNew Liberalism” (since WWI)
For instance, I consider myself a Liberal Constitutional Conservative based on my understanding of Liberalism ... where Liberalism is very closely aligned with conservative thought processes.
Perhaps you should look into the concept of which Liberalism you are asking about as the current version of β€œLiberalism” is a Leftist Distortion of the term.

You might consider checking out this free ebook written in 1927 by Von Mises: [fee.org]

I agree terms are hard to define these days. I meant classic Liberalism as I figure that's what Mr. Peterson meant.

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"If you're not Liberal by the time you're 20, you're heartless. If you're not Conservative by the time you're 40, you're brainless." - Winston Churchill

I wonder if that's what Jung meant by becoming individuated. πŸ™‚

@AlexisS probably. It seems to be happening to Russel Brand. If he can grow up, anyone can.

@The_Farseer Really? I'll have to watch for that. lol

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I’m not sure that it’s a matter of closed mindedness and open mindedness. Perhaps more like creative versus process driven. How open minded can the left be when they are shutting down speech at universities, attacking people wearing Trump hats and silencing virtually any opposing thought? Finally, I love that Peterson says that we need both types of people in society.

I'm referring to the personality trait itself - open has more to do with accessing the imaginative part of the brain, trying new things, and seeking experiences whereas the closed mind is more interested in clarity, logic and order. More of a left brain/right brain dichotomy - which side is more dominant. And I realize that's oversymplyfying the brain, but one side deals better with certain things than the other - although both work together.

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