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It's easy to spot radicalism on the other side. It's much harder to see it on your own.

How might your own ideology become distorted if taken to an extreme? What do you need to guard against?

For me, the extreme version of my own views is anarchy. It's a distortion because classical liberalism believes the government should be strong in its proper use, protecting the rights of individuals, but limited in its scope. Anrarchists, in their mistrust of government, fail to recognize this nuance.

jnaatjes 7 Mar 16
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Sceptic cynic, here, with a booming voice tuned by active construction sites, hearing damage and tinnitus. Unfortunately, most people are uncomfortable with my volume unless i stand 6 to 10 feet away. Then they are uncomfortable to talk in a volume that will carry that distance. I guess people just like being quiet as mice incase the"cat" is listening.(there i go again with my cynicism)

Yes. Healthy skepticism can be useful. But being overly cynical makes it difficult to believe in much of anything.

@jnaatjes thanks for the spelling correction. My worst subject in life haunts me every day. I wrore a research paper once on a country and spelled the country it was about differently, every time i refered to it. Face palmer for life.

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Had to really think hard on this one, didn't want to think about it probably. Am really just discovering how radical I could be. How my words thrown out in a chaotic manner, that I tell myself is just being 'honest, can do some real damage. When I read them and they hurt me, thats not good. Am starting to understand why, but its deep stuff, but am working through it.

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Are you sure that you are a liberal and not a libertarian if you look at the political climate today classical liberals and libatarions have more common ground for negation then republicans and democrats

Good question. Really if you were to label me the way we do in America, 2019, I think you could call me a libertarian leaning conservative. But I don't love those terms because a) "conservative" isn't specific enough, and b) I don't necessarily share all the same priorities as the Libertarian Party/movement, so I don't really like describing myself that way.

The parts of conservatism/libertarianism that are important to me are the classical liberal ideas of individual sovereignty, personal responsibility, limited constitutional government, and, in my personal life, Judeo-Christian values. But I depart from conservatives when they start trying to enforce their Judeo-Christianity through force, or incentivizing it through tax policy, and I depart from libertarians when they start acting like America can withdraw from the world and everything will be hunky-dory. I also disagree with pro-choice libertarians, and while I'm not opposed to legalizing marijuana, I don't really think it's the defining issue of our time.

But yeah, I agree with the basic foundational concepts of libertarianism.

@jnaatjes It really does sound like you are a classical liberal, an awesome political ideology that has been ignored by the main stream. Hence why it has resurfaced in places such as IDW.community.

@Ldsrabbi Can I ask what "LDS" stands for?

@jnaatjes Latter-day Saint.

@jnaatjes looks like we might wear the same cloth religiously.

@Ldsrabbi haha I thought so

@jnaatjes i’m glad you replied i was just curious. i have no interest in labeling you. as what i consider neo- librals and neo conservatives continue to claim ppl and thier beliefs. I truly believe that these ppl are after total control of the nation this will not be good for the average person. thx for you time and look forward to speaking with you again

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I think this recent vote about the NEA and the border wall is a good example. We want a king when we like the king and we don't when we don't. Why conservatives are in favor of rule by the flick of a pen when it is a GOP president or visa versa I will never understand.

Amen!

Especially considering almost none of the GOP like Trump until it was Trump v Hillary. Why are you suddenly so willing to give full rein to someone you despised 2 minutes ago?

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I advocate for governmental deregulation of all industries.

I "know" instinctively that we have "too much" government regulation.

But I wonder if actual, 100% deregulation would be "best".

Luckily, our society will never implement 100% deregulation .... so I don't have to worry about possible negative consequences!!!

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For me, the vaccine against radicalism is the knowledge that there is a difference between communities of consensus and the civil polity. So as radical and categorical and simplistic as I may be in conversations with people who agree with me, that basically isn’t “politics”, it’s tribal bonding.

“Politics” begins when you have people (and groups of people) who disagree, and yet who choose to live as neighbours in rather than in a state of war.

So I commit equally to the civic community as to my own community of consensus.

I will try to clarify and promote my beliefs publically, but I am prepared to help you out if a storm hits, even if we disagree on lots of things.

And I think that means I not only have to listen to you when we are debating other public policies, but I owe you the respect of truly letting your words reach me, at least to the extent that I see you as a person with beliefs, and not some abstract representative of a category.

But maybe beyond that I can make my worldview more sophisticated and nuanced by incorporating some of what you say.

I also accept that we have to live as neighbours. The only way for one community of consensus to “win” and displace or dominate the others entirely is through violence. I reject that.

So it’s a combination of relational commitments to those who disagree with me, a commitment to civic virtues of respect “across the aisle”, and a touch of intellectual humility and openness that gets me there.

Excellent! When we do not "humble"ourselves intellectually we render ourselves incapable of respectful dialogue and remove any chance of peaceful coexistence with those with opposing views.

This is why I really wish we could find progressives who are open minded to join this community. I'd like a productive discussion with people who disagree with me a more foundational issues, rather than just the occasional disagreement on implementation/policy..

But the one foundational issue we'd have to agree on is that freedom of speech should be protected. Are there progressives who believe this? I'm praying there are.

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