So the question is just how badly all hospitals are hiding the casualties and what would the true Vaers look like. Terrifying to see such mass deception. We keep watching loved ones who wanted it or were forced because of military to take it. Truly heartbreaking.

@toronto_Georgia yes I agree with you. I have for decades believed that the volume and the scope of outrageous, amoral criminal behaviors on the parts of Gov't, Science, Medical Research etc of which we will NEVER be told would be enough to spark total societal chaos - maybe its better this way...

@iThink We have a major Heart center in town. First thing you see as you walk in the door PAY YOUR FEES NOW... over and over throughout the building. Hubby went for heart catheter. They had to thread it twice as the doctor didn't notice his feet and ankles were hanging off the operating table. The next numerous days he had considerable swelling in his hand ... numerous calls to find out what he should do resulted is foolish calls from his staff.. not waiting for us to answer... no messages. Three days later we find out about a follow-up appointment and only then will he get a note in order to return to work. Pay pay pay but for God sake don't expect good customer service from our staff and nurses. They didn't even tell him he had new scripts at the pharmacists and/or what to take or stop taking. YUP, you're just a source of cash for the system.