Waiting is a good plan. Letting the dust settle sometimes gets the air clear enough

The Bible says the same thing, it's just secular western countries have tamed Christians and the same will happen with Islam over time. Christianity was spread by the sword, not love. Only difference between Christians and Muslims is whether or not they actually read and follow their holy books. Most Christians are just social believers in today's world and intentionally ignore or "interpret" the sick and twisted stuff from their book. Muslims will evolve to the same place as modern technology and science is more available to them.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

@george I take it you hate Christianity because you say it's the same as Islam

@george It’s usually best to limit comments to subjects you have knowledge about, versus parroting what may be stated by fanatic atheists. Don’t confuse the actions of men, with fundamental Christian principles. Quoting, out of context, Old Testament text, which was before Christ, and tells of wickedness to demonstrate how mankind falls short, and is in need of salvation, is an argument only good for the ignorant. The New Testament, which is the basis of Christianity, doesn’t contain any teachings from Jesus that advocates violence. Quite the contrary.

@Phrankhs because I know what the book says i hate Christianity? It is the same as Islam. They both worship the same God of the old testament and both are violent religions spread by death as proven by Christianity's past and Islam of today. The same way people quit actually following what the Bible says due to societal pressure will be the same that happens to Islam. Knowing history and facts of both religions don't mean hate but u think of it as u will. Your hate toward Islam just might be clouding your judgement here and projecting your emotions about a mythology on to me. I don't hate either religion, I just see them as what they are, a crutch for the masses to rely on when they think they aren't strong enough on their own.

@Harpoon and subjects I know about....lmao. I'm beyond knowledgeable about the Bible and will go up against any religious or non religious person out there based on the facts. Leave your wants and "interpretation" out because if it is inspired (written) by the Divine, u are in no way the one to tell me something wrote in plain black and white means something else just because u don't like the actual words of the scripture. The fact that Christians pick and choose what they do and don't follow says all I need to know about the religious. It's just a social status thing with no real faith involved. Jesus said on the sermon of the mount not one iota of the law was to change until he returned so all that sick and twisted stuff in Leviticus (the law) is still binding. I know modern Christians want to only use certain laws because they aren't as evil and nasty as the god they claim to love and worship. I actually commend Christians for ignoring God's laws and living as a better entity than the monster they worship.

@george so you would prefer both me an @Harpoon to just STFU and defer to your self-proclaimed superior knowledge

Or not...

BTW, you deferred stating your education.

@Phrankhs I never said to STFU or tell u to defer to anything. Can u discuss this without getting all emotional or not? U started off assuming stuff and thinking u know what I expect out of u. Why not focus on the topic at hand instead of making it about me? Maybe because everything I said is 100% factual so u have no rebuttal?

Everyone defers stating their education. I notice u aren't putting your degrees out to start every conversation either. If u just want to focus on me instead of the topic I understand. When people can't refute things they need to attack the source so they can find a way to dismiss things instead of adjust the things they are wrong about.

@george I don't need to refute anything.

You made the statement that Islam and Christianity are exactly the same

Here's the platform, but don't expect me to believe everything you say because yousay you are "beyond knowledgeable"

To me that's an arrogant statement

Like I said, you're on

@Phrankhs I already showed how they are the same with the exception of the time frame. At this point u haven't said anything that says otherwise. The only difference is which prophet u follow to worship the OT God.

@george let's see the God of Isreal, in the old testiment, says kill a certain specific group of people because they will cause Isrealites to stray.

The Kor'an says kill all infidels and defines an infidel as anyone who isn't Muslim, says it not a time or two but many times. Like a God trying drive a point home a thick headed pupil

So, how is past practices the same as a current practice? And how is a specific order the same as "kill all infidels"

Oh, one thing they both do.. Child molestation... Altar boys for Catholic priests and, what do the Afghans call them, "companions"

Which is why I'm no longer a Catholic. They started taking up a second offering for paying off the Los Angeles Diocese lawsuit about pedophile priests

@Phrankhs Deuteronomy says kill the non believer, infidel, not just a certain group against Israelis.. It's just a common theme of abrahamic religions. Crusades and Inquisition are the Muslim jihad of the past. One has been tamed by the West and in today's world we are bringing Islam in to the modern times so it also will be tamed. Religions come and go all the time, that's how mythology works.

@george it's like saying we nowadays are the same as slave holders because in the past there was slavery in this country

Even if I would concede that old testament Israel and Islam were completely identical, that's not now so basically you are just arguing to bash Christianity, which ended the old testament and started the new testament

And if it is worshiping the same God, why do Muslims kill Christians wholesale?

@Phrankhs they call u names for the same reasons u call them names. Hate for each other.

@george Trouble I have with Muslims are that they are very quick to escalate, that I've observed them doing repeatedly.

Like you say something to offend (with Sharia law that's easy) and their response is not rhetoric, often it's a bomb or an AK burst

How about the people on their Fatwa list because they drew a cartoon?

Sharia law forbids any visual representation of Mohammad. A drawing of Mohammad playing with children could trigger a Fatwa

@Phrankhs I'm not defending Muslims, all I'm saying are they are just doing the same things Christianity did when it was ruling, ironically named the Dark Ages. Accusations of a witch, of which still happens in third world countries, were quickly escalated to death as well. As more Muslims embrace modern technology and western culture it will be tamed just as Christians were. For every thing u can point to Muslims killing someone over stupidity, there is just an equally stupid killing that Christianity has in it's history.
I'm all for everyone worshipping how they see fit as long as they don't push it on to other, which is exactly what both Christianity and Islam try to do. Have your religion all u want but when it comes to the rest of us, check it at the door. Christians try to force their morality on to everyone by law across the USA and that is just as upsetting to me as anything else.

@Phrankhs Don't waste your time with this guy. He doesn't understand the difference between Old Testament (pre Christianity) and New Testament teaching from Jesus Christ. At no time did Jesus Christ tell his Apostles to harm unbelievers. George doesn't understand why people who believe in Jesus Christ, and try to follow his teachings and examples, are called Christians.

@Harpoon I've already got there

But you know the old sayin... You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink

My answers may just be too nuanced for him

Remember the Rules for Radicals... Say the other guy does whay you do (but say it louder to drown out thier response)

I tired of poor writers who have to pound you with a ton of words