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Do Intellectuals And Emotionals Even Have A Common Language to Anchor Communication?

I made a comment on another thread, and I'm turning that into a topic. What do you all think?

Intellectual arguments are irrelevant to the people who most value unchecked emotion. I'm not using that description in a pejorative way. But, I think we're seeing this more and more, so it's important. Your reason doesn't stand up to the strength of my emotions.' Two sides are on two completely different playing fields. This is one of the weaknesses of the 'intellectual' class. We almost always assume the other side is like we are, or they value essentially the same things. But, in this case, the 'other side' clearly does not value the same things. What do we do? I think we need to embrace our own emotions, and talk to the other side in a language they can hear--emotions. Being objective doesn't imply eliminating the influence of emotion. It just means you acknowledge your feelings, test them with reason, and chart your course with a healthy balance of the two. That's GREAT! But, we can--while honoring reason or objectivity--speak to our own emotions when combating the wildly volatile emotional presentation of others. We're basically helping them sprinkle some reason into their emotional reactions. It's an effort, and maybe a bit of retraining, but we're simply not communicating anymore. The words we say have no emotional weight, and the words they say lack adequate reason. We have to define a language that bridges this gap that has been creating misunderstanding and has us all stuck. Probably a worthwhile pursuit to think about this some more and figure out what that language would look like.

chuckpo 8 Mar 31
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Pure objectivity has to be totally devoid of emotions. Emotions are not based on rationality whereas objectivity is based on facts to approximate what is true and what is false.

Decisions based on emotions tend to lead to error because emotions are a subjective experience which is by its very nature biased. In law, there is a saying that he who have themselves as a client has a fool for a client, you cannot successfully defend your self if you let emotions enter into your agreements, those who can successfully are the exception rather than the rule.

The langues between an emotional argument and a data-based argument/debate is one will give an operational definition of the concept that they are trying to convey, whereas emotional arguments lack that property. I would argue that those who are emotionally tied to their argument are those who are most likely to experience cognitive dissonance when their core belief is challenged by empirical evidence.

I am not saying the emotions doesn't have its place, a judge depending upon the circumstances of the defendant show compassion and render a judgment to reflect his or her compassion, yet on the other hand the judge can have compassion for the defendant but if the facts of the case does not allow the emotion of compassion to mitigate the sentencing.

@AndrFaust, first I don't know if that's even really possible. I know we like to believe we're devoid of emotions and purely objective, but I'm not sure we achieve that in practice. Second, SOMETIMES emotions are exactly appropriate. I'm not a strict evolutionist--I don't think EVERYTHING humans do come from evolution, but evolution gave us emotions. Why? It seems likely the BEST decisions will come from a convergence of emotion and reason--a balance between the two. If we're not sad and disgusted by human trafficking, we won't act. Reason starts with an emotion. It may not feel like it because we've so devalued emotion in our societies--we don't even have a sufficient language for it, but us not understanding ourselves doesn't negate that reality. I think it's problematic to push the conversation into a binary mindset--emotions or no emotions. If someone has an emotional argument, they're 100% emotional--0% reason. Or, a data-driven decision is 100% reason, 0% emotion. I just don't think it works like that, but it's easier to illustrate in a conversation about emotions and reason. Science suggests more information is always better than less information, and our emotions provide us with information. I think it would be impractical to even attempt to extinguish emotion entirely.

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In my limited efforts and abilities I have found that exposing the emotive statement, pointing it out as being simple emotion helps to isolate and break any point the wide eyed babbler may be attempting to make. I have found the use of article links from sources the feely touchy accepts that support your point helps as well. I also try to stay away from the mostly abstract exchange. Expose their opinions as just emotion, common and predictable never profound or persuasive!

This tactic will work once in a while. If the discussion is more low key or not a serious hot subject for the emotional person you are talking to. It is useless against a person who is so terrified or closed minded that he won't accept any of your sources as valid. These are the hard nuts to crack. The ones that look right at the emperor and swear that he is wearing clothes!

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The reason versus emotion problem is really tough. It took me a long time to understand that this was the real problem! I tried attacking the issue while debating Pro-Choice supporters. Taking the abortion debate out of the reason arena (killing an innocent person is wrong) may have a better chance at changing minds. For example: Call it "Pro-Death" instead of "Pro-Choice". When responding to "Abortion is not killing a baby!" "Oh, so you are pregnant with a celery stalk or a bag of skittles?" when responding to "I am just not ready to be a parent!" Try saying, "You are still a parent if you have an abortion. You are the parent of a dead child." or, "You feel that an unwanted puppy should have a home but an unwanted baby deserves to be killed?" I realize this is a tough subject for many - sex with no consequences is really popular. But since lives on the line I am willing to confront people. This line of debating had them in turmoil. Make sure you have an exit route if you employ it.

Okay, great points I have to digest. I'll come back to it after I think about it more.

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The problem is more difficult than just reaching out and experiencing The Feels. People express both emotions and reason, but at the moment emotions on both sides of the virtual battlefield are in control and leading people over the cliff like lemmings. There is a significant bent towards anti-intellectualism that is pretty disturbing. You extend a hand of friendship toward a stranger who has already mentally depersonalized you, you are accused of "talking down" to them and your hand is immediately slapped away. That's one of the things I've noticed which has fundamentally changed over the last several years - people are sorting themselves into groups whether they realize it or not. Emotional people are quick to react, quick to act on impulse, disregarding facts. They don't want to look any deeper into the eyes of someone they consider an enemy. Based on history, we've already passed the so-called rubicon and headed toward world war. People have chosen sides, and to borrow a much overused phrase, to choose not to choose is still making a choice. Becoming more reliant upon showing emotion is not going to be effective anymore, especially when a different group thinks their emotions matter more than yours.

What makes you say that there is a "significant bent towards anti-intellectualism"? How do you know if a "stranger has already mentally depersonalized you"?

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Peterson is telling the truth while patting a dog so he doesnt have time to process my "Like."

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"Your reason doesn't stand up to the strength of my emotion" I think that hits the point I've had trouble with. I have had problems debating in exactly that area.
'If the argument is emotional cost doesn't matter' was what I failed to comprehend.

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