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Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice

Ah yes, here we go - this is the one debate where the left and the right are probably more divided than on any other issue.

I decided to put up this post after bumping into a fellow community member questioning my beliefs. He/she wanted to know my position on abortion and I didn't want to go off-topic from the actual post, so I decided to put up a separate one here.

This is probably also the one issue on which BOTH SIDES are absolutely horrible at debating, so just to set the record straight on a few basics: the core of this debate is about when life actually begins.
The right screaming "abortion is murder", or "you're a horrible, heartless person" is non-productive.
The left screaming "abortion is a woman's right", "it's a bunch of cells", or "you're a misogynist" is equally as non-productive, so let's avoid such rhetoric here.

I personally am pro-life AND pro-choice.... doesn't make sense, right? Let me explain...

I am pro-life

My position is that life begins with conception. From day one, the single cell embryo has a complete genetic code which contains the biological capacities of an organism (activity, growth, maintenance of homeostasis etc.). It's DNA is universally unique, therefore also distinct from the mother's and father's DNA.
Within the first trimester, the child develops a heartbeat, brain activity, nervous system, muscles, arms, legs, fingers, toes, umbilical cord, facial features, eyelids, all major organs, including sex organs that determine the child's gender. The child feeds of it's mother, it can make a fist and suck it's thumb.
To me, that is a human life by any definition, no matter how I try to spin it. Location, or the ability to feel pain, does not objectively or consistently define life in my opinion.
I won't explain the biological basics beyond that, you can check the image below for more details on the stages within the second and third trimester.

I am also pro-choice

I think that a woman should have the right to make the following 4 choices.

  • Abstinence: sleeping with someone should be something special, it shouldn't necessarily be something that we have to be doing randomly. Some people make a choice to wait for 'the right one'. But if not, that's also fine with me.
  • Birth control: it's affordable and easy. Apart from condoms and pills, there are methods like fertility awareness, patches, implants, caps, injections, IUD, IUS and more.
  • Motherhood: yes, an unwanted pregnancy can be a major shock at first. But a baby is a blessing, and there are people who make the choice to become young parents and still mange to have a successful career and a happy family life.
  • Adoption: there are hundreds of thousands of couples that are desperate to have a baby, but can't have one themselves and have been waiting for several years to adopt a child - including same sex couples of course...

The only choice I disagree with is choice number five - which is unethical and unnecessary in my opinion - I believe that we as a society can do better than that.

So if you are pro-choice in terms of abortion, one question would be - looking at the image below - at which point is it acceptable to terminate pregnancy. Up until this stage in my life, I haven't heard a single coherent argument on why and until when abortion is justifiable, just to be entirely honest. Maybe you can change my mind.

Remember that in New York, they have now passed a law which technically legalizes abortion all the way up to birth.

By the time we reach the year 2020, we will have carried out nearly 50.000.000 abortions since 1970 in the United States alone. I just wanted to state that as a side note for people who argue that it's a rare occurrence, and that we should just make an exception because it's not that significant.

Again, please be polite and respectful when rationalizing your position...

modestMillennial 6 Apr 6
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Very respectful discussion on the subject. The issue boils down to a legal concept that a woman has a unquestionable legal right to decide that last night was the result of low moral standards and questionable ethics.
It’s about making critical choices before a life is conceived. Preplanning is all it takes.
A life is worth the consideration.
Birth control has been invented. There is no excuse to create and then destroy on a whim and fancy.
If conception was the result of rape or violence then its a moot point.
I think a child conceived is an member of our community from the day of conception. I defend the child’s right to live as I defend my family, community and country.
I can’t wrap my head around the actual process it makes me sad and depressed!

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Here is the next "frontier" for the sightless servants of Moloch!

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I agree with everything you said in the article. I too am pro-life, and appreciate the well stated choices a woman does have, which does NOT include the taking of an innocent life.Thanks for encouraging civil discourse.

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You are not Pro-Life if you don't care that Millions of unborn babies are being torn apart without ANY Choice to breathe the air we all need to live.

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I agree 100% great post!

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I agree. I am glad this is such a stirring topic today. It is important that women wake up and really see what is going on here. No throwing in the towel in this fight!

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Margaret Sanger. A patron Saint of the various schools of social work. These young minds full of virtuous pursuits enter into our various state agencies providing intervention with a state prescribed outcome. They enter into the counseling professions and help people make sense, but whose sense. Mental illness, depression, anxiety, bipolar, ADHD, anger issues are so much more prevalent. Medication use increases, drug abuse is rising. Many people feel lost. The victim mentality is born in our public schools and professionalized in college and grad school.

My mind did not change on abortion until I recognized what my very thoughts and words cost Jesus Christ. My evidence is a changed life with different desires that come from a deep place that changed me in dramatic ways in my understanding and in my relationship with others.

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If ever there were a matter or a topic that is debatable this is not one. There is simply no middle ground where the life of an innocent unborn human living in the womb is concerned. There can only be right or wrong. Pro choice is pro death of the unborn human. There simply is no other moral nor intellectual way to express it. Pro choice says "I am indifferent to new human life"; that can only mean death of the human in the womb is of no significance to me so sure, go on; kill your baby. Rationalize it any way you like. This is the plain and simple truth of the matter.

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I am pro life also! Abortion was legalized so a woman who was raped or, got pregnant by their father or cousin,or had a horribly genetic abnormality could stop that pregnancy! Since Roe Wade...(which was a LIE and complete fabricated scenario)was passed 60 MILLION abortions! More than %50 are minority fetuses!I guess old Margaret Sanger plan of removing Blacks from our society is coming along just fine! The problem with abortion is today's young woman look at it like it's birth control! 60 million??I wonder how many Picasso's/Einsteins/or Byron's have been ripped apart and flushed down the toilet!

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I guess the thing I find most hypocritical about the pro-choice, abortion on demand thinking is that these same people understand the value and personhood of a fetus when a baby is wanted. They even understand it in other species. Destroy an eagle's egg, disturb a turtles nest on a Florida beach and see what happens. So to choose to put on blinders to the existence of life only when the resulting child is not wanted, is simply a desire for a convenient way to absolve themselves of the consequences of behavior that they do not want to temper.

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A well stated position. Thank you for sharing your thoughts in a polite and considered manner. I couldn’t agree more.

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BTW this is a beautiful article on this subject. Have a read!
[churchlife.nd.edu]

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I have recently watched Crowder's pro-life "change my mind" vids. These are his points I believe, and I endorse them as well. I'm not entirely sure how I'd deal with a very young pregnancy or rape -- those are very difficult cases but fortunately rare. I would assess these on a case-by-case basis. For the rest of them, now I just say deal with the consequences. I had my son at 23, with precisely the wrong partner who ended up not being around. It didn't occur to me for a second to abort him. He was a real human being from day one for me. I could never bring myself to do this. We had a tough time for a while, but we've pulled through very well.

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Very well said and I have to say I agree with everything you wrote. If someone is pro abortion I don't think there is a logical argument. In my opinion it's just a cruel form of birth control. If they can dehumanize the fetus (baby) then they feel less or no guilt about what they are doing. I feel terrible for any woman who goes through an abortion because A they either don't know what they are doing or B have no conscience. Either way that makes me sad for them.

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