@modestMillennial being sarcastic does not change the fact that a law set by people who think or deem people should not be allowed to Question what they are taught is right. Did you ever Question your parent's? Look I'm not being rude I'm being honest and if your offened sorry for your for thinking it should be ok for other's to limit your right to Question intent or anything behind anything or otherwise. You have been successfully indoctrinated. ( not good) i suggest you join the real history group.
Have a great day.
And you can find the shape of the earth in the bibe.

@modestMillennial your still being sarcastic and this is not helping you. You don't know my beliefs just that i Question thing's. And who put them on the top 10?

@modestMillennial the iluminati was created in the 1800 so your point is? It's not around anymore? Or what?

@modestMillennial sounds like you have a long way to go, but respect would be a great first step.

@modestMillennial

thanks for that article gerri, very informative. I am giving up on this person, as he is a strange sort of fool.
It's just not worth my time.
I don't have a dog in the fight, as it were, just only like to see the truth.
I loved this line (in the article)

Plato’s statement about the truth began to make some sense to me as I was completing my research:

“And don’t you think that being deceived about the truth is a bad thing, while having a grasp of the truth is good? And don’t you think that having a grasp of the truth is having a belief that matches the way things are?”[3]

@modestMillennial it does not matter what subject it is if you limit you yourself to what your tought and one sided information you will never discover there are more sides to the story.
For raising a child to dieing. There are all different way's it can be done.
You wiil grow i hope your mind open's and exands with you

@modestMillennial Thanks for posting this picture! I always wondered what happens to the oceans on this flat earth.

well, for a start you are extremely rude to each other commentator, although so far not to me. Hmm. strange. You seem to be calling each comment out for being a holocaust denier. Even though even the first one from @gerri4321 for example, links to an article which should be exactly what you would hope to read.
Seems strange for someone who is trying to get across a point about free speech.

'Historical fact'
My point is that history is written by the victors, and if you think that looking at any one account of any history will give you a true and complete picture of 'historical fact' then, well, good for you. You will grow up one day.

It seems to me that the truth would need no protection from the law. The truth would stand up to any questioning.

Also you seem to be confusing the term genocide with 'the holocaust', and later conflating them.
I don't know much of the detail in the German laws, but as I understand it, talking about/ doubting the holodomor would not infringe the law.

The genocide carried out by Mao's revolution would also be open to discussion.
It is a no-no in Australia to talk about the genocide in West Timor, for example, so exactly the opposite. Not to mention the fate of the Aborigines of that continent, of course. Or the American Indians or the Moors (and the Jews) in 15th century Spain.
Strange focus it would seem to me.
As for the second term, there is only freedom to speak about each and every thing, and that is called freedom of speech. Then there is what you are proposing, which is called censorship and lack of freedom of speech.

I could into an analysis of each of your replies to the comments that people were kind enough to leave you, but time is not on my side.

Also, I love the fact that you are up to 11.5 million now. Good one. I recently saw, and was truly amazed to see an Australian media personality had raised the Auschwitz death toll to 9 million, and glad to see you have gone one better. Soon it will be that 150 million. Where does it stop?

Try googling the term "Judea declares war on Germany" and start thinking about what other explanations would fit the observed facts. Start thinking things through, instead of trying to get everyone to agree with the childish notion that there is no room for discussion on certain subjects, even as you claim to be for free speech.

@spaingaroo thanks for pointing out i may have been rude i was trying not to be but could have very well been
We all need to be careful of that thank you

@modestMillennial the number of the population at the time is easily reseachable online.
The number does not add up at 6 million how can it add up at 11.5 million?
Look into how Russia became under Communist rule 10 million people were slaughtered ever learn about this in history class?

@Gerri4321 Hi Gerri, I wasn't accusing you of such a thing. I followed your link, which I am sure our fine millennial friend didn't do. It was an interesting read. I find it quite amazing that he is so strident in thinking he can just shut this down by calling you a 'holocaust denier' and that's the end of it. Childish rage has spoken. It's fairly amusing, but I can see this is going to be a waste of time. MM isn't interested in any opposition to his 'historical facts' or he would try looking. Then he could entertain them, and be convinced to learn more, or he could decide after reasoned reflection, that he was right all along. However, he would rather we just don't talk about anything.

@Gerri4321, @modestMillennial I think if you go back to the start of the thread, and actually read the link, you will find that Gerri was trying to provide you with more ammunition for your cause, until you started calling him names. Even then I think you will find upon reflection, that he gave you no cause to think he was on the side of the holocaust deniers at all, apart from your insistence that everyone who commented was attacking you. I am not very impressed by the level you are showing in this debate, if it could be called that.

In other places in your thread there are comments mentioning David Irving @modestMillennial. If you are interested you could start by listening to any lecture by him that you could find online. But of course, you won't, because he's already been labelled, although one of the only qualified historians to actually see any of the few documents that still exist. Your thousands of historians poring over millions of documents are all in your head I am afraid. Most of the European documents were quickly gathered up by the victorious Allied Forces, and destroyed or hidden. It was a huge operation, which you can research on your own time.
The International Red Cross made no mention of this gassing operation of which you speak in their (comprehensive, Three Volume) report in 1948, which you can see some summaries here [thetruthseeker.co.uk]
(I am quite conflicted about giving you any links as I feel like you are the sort who might try and get pages shut down if I give them to you. But I just found that page from a simple (secure) search for Jewish population figures, so whatever. )
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In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend.

Also, once you start using your head, a little, you can start seeing the problems with gassing eleven million people. Logistics my boy. Let's say they did it over the last three years of the war. That's 11/3 or if you prefer 11.5/3 which is close to four of course. 3.83 recurring. But millions, remember, as you keep reminding us, millions.
3,833,333 persons per year gassed. That's basically, a million persons every three months, 319444 people per month, or 10500 per day, every day. 435 persons every hour of every day for three years.
That's not bad going for an operation like that. There must have been some pretty systematic operations going on to have achieved that rate. No wonder we still talk about German efficiency.
If you would like I could go on breaking down the figures.
Just think about the brutal logistics of achieving that, without allied spying missions or high altitude spy plane photos ever giving the game away.
It would be distasteful to keep going on the breaking it down for you front, but I can do it if you would like.
And then once again, I would encourage you to open your mind to other possibilities that would also explain the known facts.
I don't proclaim to know the answers, but I know for sure that I don't think shutting the discussion down is any sort of answer. And I know that every time I get challenged, I investigate more to work out if I am on the right track. It sounds to me like you don't seem to think that's a good idea.
Good luck in life with that attitude.

@modestMillennial well, that's it for me, hope you have a little dance in my honour at your wedding. peace be with you.

@modestMillennial sorry but you are wrong trying to get you to think for other reason and propuses for thing's done at the time is not what you claim it to be because you think it is.

@modestMillennial You say that Germany itself has written its history. That is true but we cannot forget that the Russians, the British, the Americans, the Poles, the victims themselves were witnesses along with many civilians from conquered countries like the French, etc. Like I wrote before, I prefer to believe the witnesses rather then the deniers. The deniers were not there.

@modestMillennial, @Gerri4321 Russia's slaughter of its own people has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

@modestMillennial you can twist and distorte the word's written by anyone to mean what you think they just like history has been for centuries. Does not mean your right or wrong. It simply is you observation of the conversation and the people you don't know. Assuming intent of someone you don't is never wise in the street it might get you hurt.

@acadian Russia did not slaughter their own people, and it was a genocide should it not be remembered?

@modestMillennial no I'm not I'm the one Questioning the one's who have been doing so! Abd that is the problem with the people who still faithfully believe what they been taught and told.

@modestMillennial I'm not dancing around anything you are dancing around admitting there is a difference in Questing the true event's if what happened , and what we were taught not me. I lived in Gemany 4 year's i have seen and talked with many people, my Grandparents are jewish i have a right to Question my heritage.like it or not the one's you are not allowed to speak against are the one's you should fear the most!

@modestMillennial not suppose to speak against certain thing? Why? Because it might upset the apple cart, hurt someone feeling's? Sorry but that is is the problem with group think we are not meant to all think and be the the same. I'm and individual and like it or not no law will stop me from being so. And like it or not i Question the history as written because it has changed over the years2 I'm 49 and it get's told many different way's as the year's go on. So you can be a good puppy and stay on the leash, or a leader of the pack and challenge what your told to think, believe, do, feel, ect. It's up to you!
Have a good night.

@modestMillennial You know mM, I'll bet if we left you to think about it, you could come up with a lot more things that should be classified as hate speech. Surely holocaust denial isn't the only thing that troubles you.

Why don't you make us a list of all the subjects we should ban.

@modestMillennial it's your opinion i my be delusional, again who's fact's history is taught by many people and written by many people over the year's and changes like it or not this is a fact.
Just because you offended does not make you more right not to Question the events then it does me to Question the Event's as taught to us. Fact!!

@modestMillennial my ex husband is German and Gemany is changing fast so you may not think or believe it true. But we speek every week. Multi culturism is not good for Germany

@modestMillennial no that is not the concern if you choose to think living under law's of other's who have the right to set limits on you and yours that's up to you.
But i as a individual choose after my parents nobody has a right to set limits on me but GOD. If you follow the 10 commandment to the letter. Then no person has the right to limit you above that.
So you believe they do all you wish. I will choose freedoom given by GOD. for the future of the children of this country. Over what people give and can take way anyday!

@modestMillennial true but at what point should they be allowed to limit us. Is the Question to the point we can't think? Or Question? Or speak? No.
Why Because if you never Questioned or aked or thought you never wondered to think to Question to ask to speak.
And to not do so is control of us by those who set the law's with intent to hide and maintain us in a state they wish us to be in.
This should never be excepted.
Please do as i asked and join the real history group the guy who runs the group is a great guy he been studying history for decades, and is full of infomation even just to bounce around in your head.

@modestMillennial If your sensibilities require you to insist on prohibiting discussion of the holocaust, I am amazed that you find nothing else that rises to that level. What about denial of 60 million murdered by Stalin, or the 100 million credited to Mao? What about those who claim that the 911 attack was a false flag operation? What, in your mind, sets the holocaust apart, other than the misguided and irrational sense of national guilt you heap upon the millions of Germans who were not alive when it happened?

I am not a holocaust denier. I am supporting the right of others to question the holocaust, in the same way that nearly every life altering event is questioned after the fact.

How would you even define denial. You say above that 11.5 million were gassed. That is not true. Using the statistics of the holocaust museum less that 3 million were gassed, the rest were killed in other ways, mostly shootings. Am I a holocaust denier for calling that to your attention? There are many questions regarding the use of gas chambers vs the use of carbon monoxide in sealed truck bodies. Is that denial. There are books written about the thousands of documents regarding who directed and who was the driving force behind the "final solution". Should those books be burned along with the documents?

People seek truth. Every educated person knows the simple fact that history is written by the victors. My people were the victors and I don't question the history they have written, but I recognize the right of others to question and to speak out about their findings

You say you have one and only one issue. You are only one person. What about the other people in the world who have passion and conviction equal to yours and want to add other things to the restrictions?

I believe in unfettered free speech, because freedom thrives when free speech is not regulated. Where there is free speech, Nazism and Communism will not gain a foothold.

@modestMillennial I have German heritage from many generations ago. It is in my DNA, 28%. I can understand some guilt on the part of Germans that lived in that era. I do not see why new generations of Germany should feel any guilt any more than I feel guilt about slavery over 150 years ago or Hitler because I am 28% German. That was then and this is now. I would hope that Germany has written laws like our constitution that guarantees separation of power and makes anything like Hitler impossible without a total overthrow of the government. Marxist are currently trying to turn us into China, but they are a long way from succeeding.

Russia doesn't deny the millions they killed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn told the story in The Gulag Archipelago. The current Russian government does not deny it, they just say they disposed of the government responsible and that's that. They have the advantage of not being a defeated country shamed and prosecuted by the victors. None of the countries you mentioned are in Germany's situation.

Yes the Holocaust is well documented and perhaps it is mostly correct, but the situation is the same as above. Most of the documentation was collected by the Soviets and the allies, with the majority done by the Soviets, and the documents kept in Moscow. Germany is a great nation, they should not let events of three quarters of a century ago, no matter how terrible, keep them bathed in guilt and worrying about people talking about it.

The First Amendment is intended to protect all speech. It is subject to interpretation by the Supreme Court. Some hate crime laws have been written in certain States that may not have cleared the Supreme Court yet. To be honest I don't recall. Hard core porn is illegal and this has been cleared by the court. However, as repulsive as pedophilia is, speech on the subject is protected as long as it is not pornographic. Remember, I am not talking about what is or isn't legal in the U.S., or what might become illegal. I am giving you my opinion on what I believe. There are lots of U.S. laws on the books that I don't like. As I mentioned we have some hate crime laws that I detest. I believe a crime is a crime and we don't need to add the hate designation. Some want to make climate change denial illegal. How stupid is that? See what I mean about curtailing free speech

Defamation and slander are civil matters. Lying is not illegal, but an individual can sue you for lying about them and defaming their character. The UK has tough codes on Libel and Slander but that is not a free speech issue. In the U.S, the First Amendment is the usual defense and the complainant must prove that they lied. Libel and Slander are much harder to prove in the U.S., perhaps too hard.

I am not sure what you mean by fighting words. I will guess that you mean threatening someone with violence. This is illegal, ranging from a misdemeanor to a felony. Yelling at someone could get you charged with disorderly conduct, even if it was not a direct threat of violence. There is an old saying that "your freedom ends at the tip of your nose". Not the best old saying I have heard but I guess it sort of makes sense.

I never meant to imply anything regarding U.S. law. It is difficult to curtail free speech here but it is not impossible. There is no law forbidding holocaust denial, but anyone who takes that stand quickly becomes very unpopular and unwelcome in lots of venues. If the person is not a citizen, he may have his visa canceled and be asked to leave. He will probably have a hard time ever returning. Nevertheless there has never been any real interest in making denial a crime

@modestMillennial again pointing to what we were taught. Product were said to be made out of the hair but not out of the hide? Head lice was a hude problem. So sell items spread disease.
Human skin is said to be the finest leather on earth and is used fir rugs art purse funiture and more. Would it not make more sense to sell a money makeing product the trying to strip fat of the skin of a person who starved to death to maked soap or was gased to make soap that may now mske other's ill?

@modestMillennial the Rothchilds funded the women's movement in America to tax both sexes and " educate " the children you tell me.
Who are the Rothchilds?

@modestMillennial again think what you want my phone is full of evidence to prove otherwise. I don't want to prove anything i want you to think and reseach look for answer's on your own

@modestMillennial i really feel sorry for you you think your fighting for the right side of history and your not your fighting to be mentally imprisoned for life

I choose to believe all the people who were there, including the Germans, than to believe you.

@modestMillennial there is alway's a agenda in government to keep the public from knowing the truth. Of everything the Government does. Laws that are passed are not available till after 5 year's under the FOIA act. Why would this be. I am truly trting to just get you to expand your mind if for nothing more It's fun to explore other views and idea's. Join the real history group if you don't like it after 1 month and leave the group i will give you 200 coin's

@modestMillennial

It actually is an argument. Our laws are constantly changing. The good ones are always less restrictive like equal rights (not restricting the rights of minorities) the bad ones are usually restrictive like gun control and speech. Precedent does matter.

You think a law restricting speech will stop the spread of speech? Sorry, not going to happen. They will still spread their speech, they will just do it illegally and more cautiously. Might even give them more credibility, "they don't want us talking about it so it must be true".

Yelling fire in crowded theater is different. It's not an idea or thought. You are asking to restrict an idea or belief. What if someone smells or sees something that makes them actually believe there is a fire when there is not. Should they be prosecuted if they believed it.

@modestMillennial

Oh please, you are telling me that if there is a fire in a theater and you yell fire you would be prosecuted? Doubt it. Intent matters.

A call to violence is not an idea, it's an act. Anyone who argues otherwise is misinformed. I do believe some people deserve violence. I am perfectly within my right to express such. "I believe holocaust deniers should be beaten with a 2×4, but I would never condone such behavior." That's different then, "all who hate holocaust deniers take up 2×4s and begin the beatings!" See the difference? One is an act, the other is simply stating a belief.

I believe socialist ideas are dangerous to freedom and society. But, I'm not advocating to have you locked up.

@modestMillennial

"if there was a fire or not - you're simply not allowed to do it". Your words not mine. Simply yelling fire in a crowded theater is not illegal. Falsely yelling fire with intent is. You have to prove intent. Have a read on it.

[civil-liberties.yoexpert.com]

Calling for violence is an act. It is literally the act of calling for violence. I don't know how much more clear it can be.

Banning a belief is a socialist (communist?) idea. There are many beliefs that could be considered dangerous, if you set a precedent by banning one of them then all are in danger, religion for starters. You can't just pick and choose what YOU consider dangerous. Banning an idea or belief is a far bigger threat to freedom then Nazi propaganda.

You are trying to rationalize your own feelings into law. Not how it works here, or at least not how it's supposed to. Our first amendment will be kept intact regardless of how dangerous you think it is.

You are using the same rational as the SJWs.

@modestMillennial

Didn't call you an SJW, I just said you are rationalizing the same way they do.

You do not understand what I'm saying. You simply want hear what you want to hear. Let me spell it out for you.

The idea or belief that the holocaust is over dramatized is just that, an idea or belief. Not one I hold but the way.

"Religion is a belief system and is not factual. That's why it's a religion." Hmmmmmm, just like a holocaust denier imagine that.

@modestMillennial

OMG, you still completely miss the point. I'm not talking about history, I'm not talking about facts, I'm talking about an individual's belief, that is all. What is it that you don't understand?

You can believe whatever the fuck you want, that is my point. If you choose to believe George Washington didn't exist, fine. I'm not going to throw you in jail for being a complete stubborn idiot. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!!!!

@modestMillennial

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you, but you are free to believe whatever you want, at least you would be if you lived in USA. If I choose to believe the sun doesn't apply to me it won't instantly make me freeze to death.

The law of free speech was formed in the context of oppression. I'm not willing to forgo that law for some percieved threat, because the threat of oppression is real, according to history. And I'm not one to want to repeat it.

There are a lot of "dangerous" beliefs out there, if you start banning the ones YOU consider dangerous, then the rest are sure to follow.

@modestMillennial

I'm well aware of the difference between belief and fact. Doesn't change my mind about making some beliefs illegal.

@modestMillennial

WTF are talking about? Is holocaust denial a belief or fact?

@modestMillennial

I'm not denying the holocaust. I'm denying the BELIEF that restricting the speech based on unfounded fear that this speech will somehow take over the world and cause WW3. You have no proof of this. In fact, evidence would suggest the opposite. Despite all the anti black, anti semitic, anti feminist and anti gey speech throughout US history, we have continued get freer and more inclusive. How could this be? Well, I'll tell you, through intelligent discussion of facts, not by restricting speech.

There will always be people who hate. There will always be people who deny. You can never change this with speech laws. All you can do is refute their unfounded and hateful claims until they are a small minority that garners no respect, and they will eventually concede or die bitter and alone. This is how progress is made. This is how we have done it to date... .without anti-soeech laws.

@modestMillennial

I'm not confusing anything. I simply do not accept your definition of dangerous speech.

You are grasping at straws if you think that the USA is headed towards anything even resembling 1940 Germany. There is no evidence to suggest this, other then your unfounded fears.

@modestMillennial

OMG, you sound just like the deniers now with your conspiracy theories, too funny.

Our own military attacking US citizens is hilarious. They tend to be the most conservative members of our society. If our government goes too far they will be there first to step in on our side. Of this I have no doubt.

@modestMillennial

It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about. It's like comparing apples to dung beetles. Yeah, we are just right around the corner from being Syria. Come on man, it's getting sad now.

Who do you think makes up the military? Um, let me guess, Amercan citizens? Bingo! And some of the most conservative citizens at that. You have no basis for your crazy conspiracies, you're just throwing shit at the wall now.

As for the second amendment, yes I have guns, lots of them. I know exactly what the second is for, and so do all my military friends. Men who took an oath to protect not attack the US, from both foriegn and domestic threats.

Good talk, bye bye now.

@modestMillennial for someone who demanding speech be limited to respect the people of the holocaust. You sure have become very disrespectful of US soldiers thst not only protect America but Germany as well. There are many debating strategies and you are not a master of any. Join the group on here. And study up. And learn to never diss a countries military that's had you countries for decades.

@modestMillennial American is no such thing and never will be the Constitution that you refer to as maybe not a great thing made sure of that.
Are military takes a oath to protect America against any one here at home ( government) or otherwise and invader. The people of America. The people of America are the US government.
You have much to learn and instead of assuing everyone who does not agree agree with you is against you, you should try to do so or you might find yourself raising up in the ranks of the Government of which you speak and have not choice but to deploy the troops on the people you believed you were helping at the start.

@modestMillennial i because i have a right to protect myself as well from anyone breaing in my home ect.
And all men between the ages of 18 to 45 can be called to a duty be a choosen leader to potect the country many have at the border now it's called freem of choice.

@modestMillennial I'm going to leave leave this conversation because i have much reseach i have neglected because of this conversation. But i will leave this for you think on. With all evidence i have that the government lied about 9/11. And you should reseach what school bush was at and the word's the children were repeating at the time he was notified about 9/11. You can also search for what the leader of Isreal said about 9/11. It should be the right of every individual to Question anything they choose. First i know your you are going to think me Anti Semitic that does not bother me me cause i know me best and i am not. I go where the evidence point's 9/11 was a plot by the US government with other's.

@modestMillennial there is alot of information out there if you intrested enough to Question anything in history or today.

@modestMillennial Again I don't denythe Holocaust i Questionthe way it was taught to us and they talk about thing's other's have not.
Why entertain staving people your going to gas money wasted.
And more Questions

@modestMillennial I'm Questioning not arguing and i have good Question's. Sorry. But it's what it is

@Guido_Provolone follow the white rabbit

@modestMillennial useing numers to identify illness would make sense at that time.
They were labor camp's, prisons or or what?
Were they seperated because od illness Tyuph was killing many people at this time
And you left out all the other Questions

Given the proximity in terms of time and, as you said, the overwhelming evidence and personal accounts, I agree. I would get behind a Holocaust denial ban.
But how do we prevent this precedent from being abused?

@modestMillennial What I said was it allows OTHER people to present the truth, not that the deniers were presenting the truth. My point is that there will always be people who don’t believe historical facts...you can’t control that. Free speech allows for BOTH sides to speak. This creates an opportunity for the facts to get out there and educate the deniers, or others who really don’t know where they stand.

I have had conversations, many conversations, around 9/11 being an inside job. There is no shortage of people with that view. Does it bother me? No. People thinking something untrue, and talking about it, doesn’t hurt me. Words just don’t hurt me, no matter how close to home. We have to be able to challenge each other in order to learn. If you silence people, that option goes away. The deniers still don’t believe the truth, and no one will talk about it. I don’t know how anyone benefits from that.

I don’t need to go to Auschwitz to understand the horror that occurred. And just so I’m completely clear, I know it occurred. I DO NOT deny that the holocaust happened.

I appreciate your passion on the topic of speech, but I respectfully disagree. I don’t know why anyone would want to use the State to silence anyone. At some point, the State will be used to silence you too.

@modestMillennial Apparently you've never met a conspiracy theorist. Look, clearly we are not going to find any common ground. I'm genuinely sad for you. I hope that one day you are able to see all the shades of gray out there, because right now it seems that you are only seeing things in black or white.

Let's say you get what you want. The State creates law that makes it illegal to speak about Holocaust denial. What then? Would you like all those people rounded up and imprisoned if they don't comply? Maybe the State can build camps to put all those people in, since according to you, 99.9% of those people are irredeemable. Sound familiar?

If you can't see a difference between a direct call for violence, and people saying untrue things you don't like to hear, I think we're done here. I value freedom and you prefer the strong arm of the State. There really isn't anyplace else to go from here.

@modestMillennial 262 million people died in the 20th century because of ideology, not because of a dictator. Throughout history there has been many absolute monarchs and dictators that did not commit genocide.

We still have the right to argue for the very ideologies under which the millions died. Should we ban any discussion of Marxism along with the holocaust deniers? In my opinion the answer is no. Do not attend offensive lectures. Turn off offensive programming on the radio or TV. Speak out in your own forum against beliefs you find offensive and/or support others who speak for you.

Holocaust denial is just another crackpot conspiracy theory and it may be repugnant, but it is not something to be feared.

Regarding your comments above, you associate holocaust denial with Nazism. One of the world's foremost holocaust denier is David Irving. He is a non-political historian, not a Nazi. He does not deny that Jews were slaughtered. He splits hairs on the numbers but the difference is not that significant. His quarrel with the holocaust involve the who and hows, not whether it happened. He is rightfully labeled a denier because he argues that Hitler was not aware of all that was happening with the Jews..

Irving has paid dearly for his revisionism. He is shunned and held in contempt by his peers. This is only fair for someone who propagates an unpopular idea, and it is the only price a person should have to pay for free speech.

Regarding your fear that by allowing unhampered free speech we risk being overtaken by a Nazi regime. We are not the Wiemar Republic. We are a 250 year old democratic republic with a very strong constitution. There is no route to power in this country that is similar to the route that Hitler took. The only way a fascist government gets to power in the USA is to win the hearts and minds of a majority of the nation. I worry about our flirtation with Socialism, but there aren't enough Nazis in this country to fill a football stadium. Getting on a soap box and arguing against the reality of the holocaust will not change this.

@modestMillennial No, the 262 million died as a result of the ideology that the dictators followed. They were trying to make their flawed ideology work. I am not trying to sell anyone on a dictatorship, but things were great for the people of Prussia under the enlightened despot Fredrick the Great. The Roman Empire had a golden age of nearly a hundred years under the 5 good emperors. Just saying no genocide.

Trump is hated by 10-15 % and not popular with another 30-35%. Outliers like Spencer and David Duke support Trump and the MS-13 gang supports the Democrats. Everybody picks a side and sometimes we are followed by bad people.

I did not say that the Wiemar Republic was the problem in Germany. You have that about right, but the Wiemar Republic was weak and ripe for the picking.

I haven't counted our years at war but 222 doesn't sound like an exaggeration. We are getting off topic, but we are finally trying to get out of Afghanistan and we will soon be out of Syria. We should also pull all of our troops out of Europe and Asia. The only reason they are there is economics, not ours but theirs. We have troops in over 150 countries. We should bring them all home and put them on our Southern border to stop the flood of illegals that are invading our country. We are building walls but we still need boots on the ground to stop them.

I don worry much about war anymore, MAD pretty much take care of that. I worry about the politically correct, cultural Marxist taking over peacefully and turning us into a carbon copy of China