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We don't need your Western values...

Japan is said to be the most westernised country in Asia. Despite the 300 years of isolation from the rest of the world and despite its defeat in WWII, Japan quickly restored and caught up with the West. It is said that because the Japanese always understood the Western way of thinking well. But now, Japan no longer copies the West.

Why do you think that is?
Could the Western culture be oppressive to other cultures?

Naomi 8 Apr 11
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I wouldn't call what the Democrat party believes and does, "Western Culture." Nor would I call Western Culture that which was handed down from the ancient Greek and Roman worlds, Western Culture. Although I know many would. I would call Western Culture the result of the influence of Biblical principle, the Gospel and the invisible Kingdom of God. The Democrat party was founded to resist that ever growing influence. To reject the republic that stood in the way of what it wanted. In essence and to this very day. To reject and war against Western Culture and the free world.

Wow, that's insightful. Thank you!

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Japan is an interesting country. It is said to be the most westernised country in Asia. It has had a strong connection with the West for centuries. When it ended the feudal system which lasted nearly three centuries, Japan went through drastic reform and modernisation in the 19th century. Japan adopted a constitutional government model from Germany, an education model from France, medicines from Germany, an army model from Prussia, an navy model from Britain, and the list goes on. Fast forward to the 20th century, after its defeat in WWII, Japan achieved high economic growth and rapidly became the world's second largest economy (after the United States). I read or heard somewhere that the Europeans invent, the Americans market and sell, and the Japanese copy, improve and resell, or something along those lines. To me, Japan seems to have the excellent ability to adopt, appropriate and incorporate other cultures into theirs while preserving their own norms and values. They also have rather strict immigration rules, which may suggest that they know that a certain level of homogeneity is necessary in order to preserve their own values and for their systems to work well - I'm guessing. Of course, Japan has its own problems, aging population, declining birthrate, problematic relationship with South Korea, etc., but perhaps, it is Japan's advantage that it can see what is happening in the West from outside so that it can orient its position accordingly within the global context - a bit cheating really...

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Hello, people. You might also find this clip interesting.

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Japan has been more oppressive to Western Civilisation than Western Civilisation has been oppressive to Japan.

Sorry to bother you, but again, if you could elaborate your statement so that everyone can understand better...?

@Naomi Japan's brutal persecution of Christians and disgusting unmerciful torture of Allied Prisoners of War of World War II are far more oppressive than any treatment they've encountered from the West. Modern Japan benefits from the benevolent correction it received from The United States of America.

That being said, they are a great culture, and have always risen from the ashes of past mistakes. I also want to take issue with international Marxism being labeled as Western Civilisation, as it is an infection we are currently innoculating ourselves against. I applaud Japan's rejection of the galaxies of the Modern West.

You know, you've got a point; look how Japanese food is invading Western food in America!

@Naomi I haven't had a kamikaze in over 25 years. But, seriously, Japan has never been a victimized culture. They are a great culture. They were a much more formidable enemy than Islam is. Now they play baseball for American teams. Fanatical cultures can be defeated by the West, if the West is willing to preserve itself. This video illustrates Japan's willingness to survive. The ways of the Left are promoted to convince a society to weaken itself from within.

Well said, Sir.

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Uhh, japan has its own briliance. Think of a modern digital camera and everyine is measuring japans attention to detail.

Japan appropriates tech. The culture has worjed very hard to maintain its identity since ww2. We see edited examples of westernizatin and do mot relize that we are being shown deviations in behavior, not median bwhavior. "Western culture" is so ego driven right now. "I am king of the world." Arrogance fills souls with self righteousness.

Hi. There may be a bit of arrogance and self-righteous coming from Japan as well, re: Japanese Imperialism. lol
It's interesting when you say Western culture is "ego driven", do you think it's people who take it for granted so much that they assume that it's the best culture, or do you think it's the Western governments which are pushing it for globalisation? (Sorry, this is a rather big question!)

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You may hate us as your enemy, you may despise our people, you may hate everything we do. but what you may not do, is ignore us. because that puts you at risk

so please, watch us self destruct into the darkest, blackest corruption that this world has ever seen. hopefully you get top see the pheonix rise from the ashes. or, you get to watch us annihilate ourselves

Hi. I'm not sure what you mean by "you". Still, thanks for your input.

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\Could the Western culture be oppressive to other cultures?\
Our current culture is sick. The disease is our addiction to outrage. The Japanese are rejecting this sickness. it is not about oppression. The Japanese copied the best from Chinese culture (kibuki, alphabet, architecture) they took the best we have. The rejected some of the Chinese culture, they are now rejecting some of our culture. If you think it is about oppression, you are saying that it is all about The West. That is the height of chauvinism.

Hi. Well, I needed to make the OP a little controversial, and thus debatable, and hence you're here!
I did a bit of research. In Japan, more and more women are uninterested in the traditional lifestyle, i.e., getting married and having children. Women's liberty is much endorsed while they are less willing to have committed relationships. Homosexuality is better accommodated than before and same-sex partnership (not marriage) is officially recognised. The Japanese don't seem much to recognise issues regarding political correctness, free speech or hate speech among themselves - it's all down to politeness and good manners at the moment, which is nice. So, these concepts may come from the West, yet the openness of sexuality, abortion rights, rather aggressive protest for free speech, etc., may be a little too much for them to adopt or may be incompatible with their values... What do you think?

@Naomi This is all true, also men are in this 'work-success' mode where they do not have time for relationships. Perhaps we humans are not emotionally prepared for what we now call the 'first world' lifestyle. Perhaps we need some barbarity. Kumbaya does not work as we are descended from people who excelled at living in tribes and waged war on other tribes. Now, there is no need for this and our minds do not know how to cope.

@BastiatLives Ahhh. finally a thought provoking thread! "Perhaps we need some barbarity. Kumbaya does not work as we are descended from people who excelled at living in tribes and waged war on other tribes. Now, there is no need for this and our minds do not know how to cope" Could this explain the "Big Split" in the US between left and right? Are we just acting out as two tribes because basically we have lost someone else to focus on as an enemy tribe?

A philosophical thought, Sir.

@BrunosDad Could be. Not so different from our immune systems picking fights with anything in the environment because there are no worms in our guts to fight off. We need conflict, and if we do not have it, we will invent it. The other part of this is the Marxism that has taken root in our education system, it is part of the split as well.

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The Japanese Constitution was written by Douglass MacArthur.

Hi. And...? If you could tell me what your point is that would be very helpful.

@Naomi That officially makes them Western Civilization.

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Very interesting video. Don't think its giving up on copying Western culture. They already integrated that into their own and value it. Perhaps they are protecting their unique version of culture, from the growing islamic influence in the West. Both Japan and China are smartly slamming the imperial gate. Maybe all the SJW will give up their Japanese cars in protest - you rock AOC!!! Hehehe ?

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Trans people are castrated in Japan, how about that? I bet moronic liberals are not ok with THAT value LOL #westernvalues #westernculture

Please... do not go there... lol!

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Interesting conjecture.

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Western Culture is not deliberately oppressive. No one forced the Japanese to adopt American popular culture. It seems there is fallacy in the notion that Western Culture equates with Western values. IMHO those are two very different things. When I think about Western Values I think about concepts of Individual liberty. God given and inalienable Rights; unfettered (by gov't) opportunity to improve ones own life and to build personal wealth; faith in God (expressed in myriad ways and free to practice religion and free to not as we choose)...etc. Western culture on the other hand brings to mind, personal self expression; music, art etc. These things can only exist in the environment of personal liberty as created by implementation and perseverance of Western Values.

Hi. You make a fair point that values and culture are not quite the same. Values are like principles, ideas, standards, that kind of things, and people behave on the basis of these things. There are multiple values and two people may behave differently based on the values they follow, and these values can be very different if not incompatible. Meanwhile, I see culture as something that reflects values in forms of art, music, etc., as you put it. When paintings, pieces of music, etc. and the stories behind them inspire us, that's because what comes out of them resonate with our values - maybe? In that sense, do you think values and culture correlate and interact with one another?
Also, It is intriguing when you say Western culture is not "deliberately" oppressive. Does that imply that the West perhaps "subconsciously" assumes that the Western values are the best and therefore the others should learn from it?

Yes it is true that in a place where individual liberty and autonomy are preferred over collectivist thought individual personalities can and do develop their own "personal values". These personal values express themselves perhaps in the manner a person dresses or grooms himself. Blue or green hair? Body art? Resist! Punk culture, Hip Hop culture...etc. None of those things could flourish in a collectivist society. As for incompatible competing personal values we have a way of handling that as well - it's called the electoral process. We select and elect our government representatives (hence we do not live in a pure democracy but in a democratic republic with an electoral college - in order to eliminate a condition of "tyranny of the majority" ) who at least theoretically reflect the values we hold to be most important. No, I do not believe western culture "assumes" anything. I do believe that as the dominant hegemon over the last 100 years the West leaves seeds of culture scattered about the globe. I do not see this as a deliberate action. It is more or less an inevitable occurrence as our methods, goods, military presence moves about the globe. Not that the motivations of any hegemon are all good but certainly they are not all of malintent either. @Naomi

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Clear separation, yes!! I generally love Western values which are seriously being attacked. The way I see it, Japan poisoned the world waters and never did anything about it. I really think that was known before and nothing was done. It's like Western civilization, if citizens don't try to know, don't risk, then they are complicit also.
I am neutral towards those I meet travelling but I believe you. I think underneath it all is a disdain.

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