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The Black Mirror

This whole thing circulating about the photo a black hole has got me curious about something, would appreciate some feedback.

In science, the singularity is described as the point in which all laws of physics break down entirely. The point in were none of them really apply. It's said to have an infinitely dense gravity, something we've never observed in nature, that all matter and anti-matter existed in the same point; which is impossible according to what we already know. We've created an omnipotent, irreducible, unactualized actualizer. An Ipso-facto god. So that the initial cause of the universe, was and is by definition; completely unscientific.

We've come up with a word for something that is literally beyond what we know or seems to be knowable. This fact, if taken for granted, must mean that what can be understood came from and out of what never could be- ergo faith must not a considered a platitude. It seems to me that the only logical way in which to view the universe and life is that it is intractably mysterious. That faith is not just merely for the religious; but for everyone. That we have smuggled in a higher power, and perhaps simultaneously swept it under the rug. Maybe we are made deeply uncomfortable by the complexity and mysterious unknown that is quite literally irreducible.

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R_D_Russell 6 Apr 13
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Using the scientific method Stephen Hawking discovered hawking radiation from black holes. We learn about black holes everyday although allot of them are hard to prove. The singularity just means we don't have a working model of the universe that fits black holes. They seem to be large gravity wells that light can't escape from.

As for the universe been mysterious, it is said that science dies, when we know everything. In eastern philosophy term there is the Known, unknown and unknowable.

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My take is that we’re a long way from ‘peak knowledge’ and can’t or shouldn’t make allusions to a god in the resulting vacuum. Regarding being unlikely to have an understanding in our our lifetime; so much of the globe’s science funding has been squandered on ‘climate change’ that, in my opinion, we’ve been set back decades in our quest for answers.

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Look at it the same as we did the sun until the turn of the 20th. We knew it was there, but we didnt know what it was or how it worked until fusion was theorized and proven. At this point our understanding of collapsing stellar bodies hasnt caught up to our ability to see that its there. Understanding will come, just not in our lifetime

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I chose the handle Jargon for a reason........this is a great example of much of such 🙂

@R_D_Russell The information is complete with much physics language. This specific jargon really does not explain much of anything. Some scientist kind of being gave their Theory a new name..such as Black Hole....Singularity......Dark energy...... etc...all of which encompasses studies that can not really explain the physics presenting! So what are you really wanting feedback on??

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The Universe and the physical laws that operate within it and all things living and not living are of an unknowable source. Typically we call that source God. So, the black hole, the singularity, the darkness and the light, the dark matter, the atoms and the galaxies and human beings all emanate from an unknowable source - God

I have to say you just went about 10 light years over my head - but it sounds good to me. @R_D_Russell

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Stephen Hawking wrote what I think was an excellent entry level book called A Brief History of Time: From the Big Bang to Black Holes

It does take a scientific background to understand but he really tried to explain his stratospheric thoughts on quantum physics and all that for the layman

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

@R_D_Russell

I've not read it. The book is from 1988 and should include both. It should also talk about hawking radiation, which, according to math, is a theoretical radiation released by black holes. Which means if the black hole is not a absorbing matter, then it is shrinking and will eventually burn out.

@Judah80 read it years ago when I was going to college so I don't know

It's a good read, though

And Hawking was a theoretical physicist so it's mostly theory

long time since I read it but didnt hawkins say that the gravity in the black hole bends time and that time is curved rather than straight thus if you are outside the physical world we are bound by you can be on multiple places in time i.e.God. I think I remember hawkins saying something like if "I wasnt an aetheist I would believe in God".

www.jaymaron.com/particles.html

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Interesting take on the (dark) matter.

Cygnus X-1, the siren along the lament horizon... that Black Swan Song that sings solely of eldest night.
It's the dark side of Zen, that would fain make everything One with itself.

It would seem to me, that if Black Holes were not merely a physical phenomenon but something numinous, something at least demi-divine... well, it would be on the dark side of such things. It is Covetousness itself... its greed, its grasp such that light itself cannot escape. Once a sun in some wise, the Eye of the Serpent lies, each avian Icarus that dares to meet its gaze is paralyzed, and torn from the wider sky.

Admittedly it is something that can't be encompassed by any normal sort of thought. Everything condensed to a single point, atomic structure collapses, all physical laws revoked and remade in the image of the Tyrant Gravity.

Btw... the first part of this rambling cosmic comment was an allusion to Rush's song Cygnus X-1 Book 1.

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Consider this. Albert Einstein predicted the existence of black holes using his theory of relativity...math basically. At the time, even he believed it to extreme to be plausible or real. Only that the math said it was. Low and behold they do exist. Science is more about considering what is possible and then using a formula to either confirm what's real, and what isn't. This can also be explained as the difference between theory and fact. Much like black holes, facts just tend to lead to even more theories instead of more answers.

Sylvester James Gates theoretical scientist.....

"It is always the case that it is our experimental colleagues that prevent us from forming a religion, because it is always grounded in what they can measure."

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Ever read or seen the screen adaptation of Stephen King's, "The Langoliers" It's basically about time, the past, present and future and how only the present exists. His concept of how the past is destroyed is what it is all about and is not that credible butit is an interesting line of thought to ponder on.

We can consider that the universe exists at all times already from beginning to end, which would mean there is no free will or randomness. That would mean all future is pre-determined. Time travel would be impossible under such circumstance as it would introduce an impossible variable. Or we can consider that only now exists and the future is created and the past just disappears. This makes all futures possible and introduces self-determination. Time is a very important factor I think but it is just an idea. I think physicists have it all tied up in a space-time continuum theory. I am in no way a physicist but there are some basic things I can consider.

@K9Saint Not familiar with it. Similar idea?

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Fun. Interesting. I don't know what to say other than, yeah, maybe. Maybe, at some point we'll know more and be able to broaden our theories--whether or not that occupies some type of metaphysical ethereal truth is just wildly speculative, since we have no direct way to break off small pieces for study. It's provocative, though. I love the title. Any avid fiction readers that can add something from literature? I just don't know where to start. Also, any of you hard science folks want to add something (you too, RDR, if you have specific knowledge about such things). I'll play, but I too just don't know enough to say much more.

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There is truth.

There are religious ways of describing truth.

There are scientific ways of describing truth.

Science is more useful in answering the what. Religion is more useful in answering the why. But there is overlap.

Practitioners of both can be wrong, but they can also be right.

Continually refining your understanding of truth by means of both science and religion, and then committing yourself to speaking and walking up to truth, creates a meaningful life.

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Deep. I will have to ponder this. I am not sure I am educated enough on the subject to opine. At least not yet.

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