Imaginary Muslims: Part 3. Do you know any Muslims in your real life, or are they imaginary (based on how the media describe them) when you talk of them? Be honest!
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I have two Muslim employees. They have been very open to discussing religion and we are able to do so without ever getting judgmental either way. It always works as a fact finding mission, English is not their strong suit.
It does however get somewhat complicated because the owners of our company are Armenian refugees. They are a little less forgiving than the other employees, understandably.
I also had a neighbor who was in the Saudi royal family as a neighbor while he was here attending our local university. That was extremely eye opening and sad.
BrunosDad
Level 6
Apr 17, 2019
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You're fortunate to have such personal experience! I also think that it is a learnt skill to interact with others while acknowledging each other's differences. We should all learn such a skill so that we can integrate better. (I know it's easy said than done, but still...)
@Naomi It was and continues to be a real education.
The Prince and his wife as I like to call him, disappeared on Christmas day in 2016. They left all of their belongings and vanished without a word. About a month later a moving company showed up to clean out the house and I asked them if they new what happened to the couple. The answer was no they were just hired to clean it out. Not long after I got a phone call from her explaining that his father thought that it was too dangerous for them in the U.S. and sent people over to get them. They were not even notified ahead of time and actually thought that they were being kidnapped. They were constantly telling me how bad "radical Islamist" really were and at the end of the conversation she told me that she was worried for our safety because we were friends.That freaked us the f@#@ out.
Nothing happened.
My employees have taught me that the extremist are actually practicing Islam as it was originally intended and that moderates such as themselves have changed it to make it acceptable in today's world. I asked them why no-one ever condemns them (the extremest) and they said it is because technically they are right. That is frightening to me, these are two very rational, intelligent proud Americans but when push comes to shove they have told me that they are and always will be Muslims first.
That very aspect of Islam truly exists. It was some time ago, there was a good Muslim in England. He ran a small shop and was very popular among the locals. One day, he posted a photo on FB of himself smiling with a local "white" customer. A few days later, another Muslim (extremist) travelled miles and miles to get to him and he was killed. I believe that moderate/peaceful Muslims are really afraid of and suffer from this brutal part of the teaching of Islam.
Non I know here in Scotland are characters from the media mostly good men with family values
Organicplum
Level 7
Apr 17, 2019
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Any one here who says by talking to a Muslim you can tell if they are good or bad have not been listening to what they are telling everyone. If you are helping or even funding or harboring a extremist or buying from companies who are funding them then you are no better than the extremist who are killing and raping people all over the world in the name of Islamist
sweepercda
Level 4
Apr 16, 2019
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How have you reached that conclusion, I wonder...? Have you had some bad personal experience with Muslims? I'm just curious.
I am friends with a few. They range from decent to oily.
BastiatLives
Level 6
Apr 16, 2019
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I have met an interesting group of Muslims.
It's honestly hard to pinpoint what the general take away from them is.
Some I have met are pretty culturally similar to the modern Christian.
I've have met some who are borderline aggressive , and some that are friendly and polite.
Generally the majority of those I met in Muslim nations were polite. I'm unsure if this is because I was an outsider. Everyone's an information broker in wartime.
Muslims in America are generally polite but I have met a few that believe the holy jihad nonsense.
Overall I feel indifferent towards them.
CodeNameZebra
Level 6
Apr 16, 2019
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In Britain, there are many British-born Muslims. Many of them just happened to be born into Muslim families and never bother reading the Koran. lol They're called cultural Muslims. Many others are moderate/peaceful Muslims and I believe that they're the ones who are constantly in a dilemma because while they live by the Koran, they also much appreciate the British way of life, i.e., they want to integrate but they feel limitation. I think the modernisation of Islam will be good for them.
My landlord is a muslim. It's nice to know some general things about their culture. The status of women is one. They speak differently to my wife than to myself. Actually, we deal mostly with the landlord's wife. She is definitely more curt and direct with my wife and not quite as open to myself. So I handle most of the communications.
FrankZeleniuk
Level 8
Apr 16, 2019
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Interesting! Thank you!
I know several former MUSLIMS who lived under the ISLAM law of SHARIA their entire lives. Until they actually met and knew someone from America did the lies they were told about us dissolve. Islam is NOT A religion. It is a geo political system bent on world domination. If you have ever read the Quran you would see this. Mohammed killed everyone who disagreed with anything he said or did and if you follow him you are instructed to do the same.
AZWoman
Level 7
Apr 16, 2019
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After Muhammad reached Medina, he became a warlord and his words became much more political - Hadith - roughly speaking. Islam is indeed a religion of political ideology. There are individuals and groups that are trying to reform and modernise Islam, including removing Hadith and modifying Sunnah. I hope they will succeed in the near future.
I don't think I know any Muslims, and I don't really talk about Muslims. Islam, though, is a political system every bit as much as it is a religion. Faith is individual in nature; religions are organizational.
govols
Level 8
Apr 16, 2019
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Point taken. The distinction between moderate/peaceful Muslims and Islamists/radical Muslims is often deliberately blurred by those who have political agendas. We can't be too careful.
I would probably go with personal experience over any media. Sure there are bad ones and sure the good ones need to stop being afraid and speak out and reclaim this ... thing, but ultimately, I have great Muslim friends.
KebblerFox
Level 5
Apr 16, 2019
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I've had pleasure in encountering Muslims who are good people. Like you say, it all comes down to individual quality.
I have muslim friends. Like them very much.
tigercake
Level 7
Apr 16, 2019
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