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Does anyone have an opinion on having the 2020 Census ask the question plain and simple.."Are you a U.S Citizen?" Yes or no.
It seems so simple to me. That is what the country is based on. Only citizens can vote and they are what reflects our representatives in Congress. Seems to me if one side does not want that question on the census, it is only because they want to cheat and have non-citizens be allowed to vote.

GrandmaSandy 4 Apr 24
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I don't think it matters. I never answer any questions except how many people live in my house. I'm not against the question. I just don't think people will answer it. Especially I they are illegal.

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The only reason some want it left off is to continue the support of the criminals that have entered our country illegally and are stealing and killing to make a living here.

Why would we welcome someone that clearly has no desire to follow the law? Someone who is willing to put their childs life in danger by force marching them through the desert and expose them to the sexual exploitation while on that march? These do not sound like the kind of people I want in this country, but then again, I am not a liberal who supports murder and child predators.

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It should absolutely be a question on the 2020 census form.

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Do "citizens", have a vote in a corporation? Are they shareholders? . . . Or merely the slaves of commerce, indoctrinated to believe their opinion matters, as their labor becomes more irrelevant. 🐇🕳

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That question should always be on the census. Only citizens or others that are here legally should be answering the questions.

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I agree with your post. You should be a documented citizen of any country to be able to vote. I find asking the question whether you are a citizen of your country is very appropriate on an application.
If you are an illegal you should not be able to vote. Become a citizen, then vote.

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The US has a romantic notion of citizenship, the heroic new comer shining light on a new land.
In comparison most modern nations have evolved to say you can’t benefit unless you demonstrate some benefit to the nation.
Birth right citizenship does not exist in most modern countries unless your parents are citizens.
Similarly, you can’t become a citizen unless you have a skill that we are short of.
At the border, there is no need for a judge; a customs officer can deny you entry when you can’t prove why you are here.
And in terms of ‘overstayers’ or illegal immigration, most nations find you and throw you out and simply do not tolerate law breakers.
Where I live, is not a cash economy, so paying people without detection is virtually impossible.
A modern nation that chooses the best or a romantic notion of nation?

I am not sure what you are asking with your last sentence, but I agree with the information in your post and have always thought that the USA should have the same stance on immigration, as you describe, is the norm for other countries.

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Yes to above. Add another question,"do you collect any type of government benefit" and "have you paid into that fund, ie: social security"

This 100% is something I would like to know.
Especially if someone is collecting but being paid under the table by their employer.

Now, people do what they gotta do, can't blame them. But something has to be done about people double dipping in employment and benefits by circumventing our broken system.

@Hetrovono When Social Security started it was OPTIONAL. In the 1950s, it was no longer optional, everyone had to pay!
Just another way for the government to take control!
I'll say it AGAIN, outlaw these nanny state programs, welfare etc. and if we have illegals, they will be here to work, not to live off society!!!

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As a citizen I have no problem answering that question. That information would most likely reveal relevant population demographics and voting blocs. The Census question about race is a different matter. That information is probably processed in a manner to support race-based affirmative action or welfare programs. There are a half dozen predetermined choices. Regardless of my ancestors' origins, I was born here so I checked the "other" box and wrote in "American".

I agree with that!

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Yes it should. Besides, all of the people that don’t want to become registered citizens make absolutely no sense. You’d get more benefits becoming an actual citizen. On top of that, you get to actually contribute (through taxes and such) to society, and feel like a part of a bigger group than whatever tribe you include yourself in. Tribalism is wrong and all but I don’t see it going anywhere any time soon.

I am with you a 100%. Most of the illegals don’t want to work, hand outs are much better to them. No wonder so many people get upset with those illegals trying to sneak into the country. Try it in there country where they come from, not that we would, we would probably be shot trying. I hope someday that they will have immigration all figured out.

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As someone who lives in a state with a lot of illegal immigrants in it and no ID check for voting I think it is an absolute must that people show they are a citizen to vote. Obama made it very clear he would not prosecute any illegal for voting, pretty much inviting them to vote. I am a permanent resident and can not vote and do not try and vote, so not having control over illegal votes is very important to me and should be to every citizen.

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Budget funding for congressional districts depend on accurate headcounts. Citizens or not, people consume resources. Democrats who are typically the most egregious overspenders are understandably pissed and panicked at the thought of their budgets being threatened by a census question that could scare people away from filling out a census form.

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How is it what our country was based on when there weren't immigration laws until the Chinese Exclusion Act and other similarly racist legislation in the late 1800s, ironically just as the Statue of Liberty was being dedicated? Unless you mean that our country is based on citizenship for any free white man who has lived here for two years. But even then, all free persons and 3/5 of other persons (i.e., slaves) were included in the Census in keeping with Article One of the Constitution.

Here's what the Declaration of Independence says on the matter: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Here's what the 14th Amendment says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

As for voting, non-citizens weren't barred from voting in federal elections until the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. I think the fact that a right to vote is not made explicit in the Bill of Rights has made it easier to infringe. So too perhaps has the use of the word "citizens" in the aforementioned 14th Amendment, and the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th.

I do not support the question. It is a nativist scare tactic designed to produce an undercount, plain and simple.

You have written an interesting answer but since I do genealogy, I do not agree with your last sentence. I do not think of my question as a scare tactic., although many like yourself see it as that. Having seen many census records, I think asking 'Are you a citizen' is no different than asking 'Is there a radio in your home' or ' Are you blind, deaf or dumb'. I think as a nation, we really do need to know how many here are citizens and how many aren't. If it causes residents to not answer the census, then they will be revisited several times to see why they did not answer. And as I have also seen in many census records, the person answering the enumerators questions, often lied or gave inaccurate answers. Thanks for your reply.

@GrandmaSandy The question I was referring to was the census question. I also do genealogy and have seen the records you speak of. Undocumented immigrants and their families have reason to be afraid because Trump's ICE is freed from priority deportation. With their quotas, they are focusing on whoever is easiest to round up--i.e., the ones they have on a list already who are not protected by laws like DACA.

"Illegal" End of discussion. If they are not here legally, they have absolutely no rights. NONE. They are, in fact, disenfranchised by their own actions. The irony is that there are citizens who do not have the right to vote. We call them felons. They, too, have broken our laws, and are not allowed to vote. If ICE picks up some illegal immigrants because of this question, I fail to see why that is a problem....

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If our politicians get their way, people that are here illegally will get to vote and decide the fate of our country and it's direction. This is not what the founding fathers had in mind. If they have the question on the census, then it should be used to round up those said illegals.

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The constitution says it pretty plainly that representation is based on the number of people. It doesn't say citizens. Now I'd agree that it should be citizens, but it is not what is in the constitution. Now, the census is just a count and it helps establish demographic information. The worry that answering the question is going to send ICE agents to your door is baseless. I believe it is a good question to have on there to get some actual data on how many immigrants, legal and illegal are here. Especially if you are here legally, there really is nothing to fear.

Does it have to say Citizen, anyone with any sense would take it that voting is for people of that country, not for people from another country. If they want to vote they should vote in their country of origin. Sometimes people expect too much to be put in writing, like they don't have enough common sense to do anything unless it is written down for them,. Voting for a government in any country should be done by the citizens of that country, common sense, it does not need to be put down in any constitution!

@Jaycee2010 This is the census.... not the vote. Now yes, it does have an effect on the number of representatives are in congress. I'm not advocating that non-citizens get to vote in our elections at all. There are places in the constitution that specify citizens. However in terns of representation in congress, it is based on the overall population of people in a state.

If they can not vote then why should they be given representation. If they are here illegally they have no rights, other than to be returned to their own country as swiftly as possible. I am tired of these illegal immigrants who enter this country without doing it the correct way being given rights and often more rights than a Citizens or legal residents., It is high time we started to concentrate on the rights of Citizens and legal residents and not on the rights of illegals, who, by the fact that they entered the country stealthily and not through a legal port of entry have no rights other than to be treated with the same respect we give any criminals as they are returned to their own country!

@Jaycee2010 because they are subject to our laws and regulations while here. They do not get the vote because as non citizens.... they do not get a direct say. As participants of our society they do get representation.

If they are subject to our laws then they would not even be here! They ignored our laws to gain access to this country so they should have no rights, other than the right to a speedy deportation back to their own country.

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Correct the representation should be based purely on population of citizens not overall population.

A border state could easily allow anyone in just to boost their power in representative bodies.

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