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So, MAGA republicans, you lot probably, are extremists, now. 🙄
Any counter-arguments?
While there is no such thing as a perfect country, it looks like America is really messed up right now.

Naomi 8 Sep 4
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No counter-arguments... our Founding Fathers were also extremists. 😁
An absolute respect for the Sovereignty of the Individual is an extreme position; extremely American.
What they refuse to admit, is that an absolute disregard for that same sovereignty is just as extreme, and it is un-American.
I would say that it's also un-British, and even "un-Western"... but that's for other people to decide.

America, as an ideal, is still just as promising and as just as it ever was.
America, as a place, is indeed "really messed up right now"; to the extent that we have people pulling levers of "authority" and illegitimate power who simply don't understand or respect that ideal.
And, don't look now... but I believe it's the same recurrent scourge that is spreading once again throughout the West.

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WE WERE WARNED 58 YEARS AGO as these 45 goals of the Communist Party were read into our congressional record in 1963. Derived from the reports of Congressional hearings together with available books by ex-Communists where all of these Communist objectives are described in detail.

Below are some of the Communist goals as read into our Congressional Record:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35, January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

  1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government.

  2. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

  3. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

  4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

  5. Gain control of all student newspapers.

  6. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

  7. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

  8. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

  9. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings"

  10. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

  11. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

  12. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

  13. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

  14. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

  15. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

  16. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

  17. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

  18. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history.

  19. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

  20. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

  21. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

  22. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

  23. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

  24. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

  25. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

They have followed through with most of those goals. It does seem to give guidance on how to fight back against their agenda.

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Hey, @David42, if life gets a little too strained in Mecklennburg County, we have room for free thinkers here in Macon. Come join the Over Mountain Men.

@FuzzyMarineVet I’m from Waynesville. We escaped Charlotte about a year ago. We moved about an hour closer to our mountains. I ride motorcycles up their 10 months a year

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As an outsider, I can't really see what is going on in the US, but considering the fact that more than 70 million people voted for Trump, which amounts to 47.2 percent of the total votes counted (as of 2020), anyone, let alone President, labeling their own people - millions of them - as extremists sounds bizarre.

It IS bizarre, but it"s coming from a position of extremism. It only ever could be.

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Howdy @Naomi,

Academia, most old line news outlets, the entertainment industry, and Democrats are decidedly progressive. They control most urban areas. They feel American society is intrinsically unjust. They have encouraged riots and looting. Crime has skyrocketed since it's not been punished. Punishment is condemned as unjust.

But America is not entirely urban and progressive. There is widespread dissent with progressive policies. Progressives respond like the president did, accusing his opponents of violence and sedition. The odd thing is his opponents are among the most law-abiding parts of society. We find it puzzling at best, and outrage provoking.

Catastrophic foreign defeats, uncontrolled immigration, a hundred-thousand opioid deaths a year, rampant crime, spiralling energy prices, and the worst inflation in forty years. All this happening and the president says the worst danger the country faces is that those who disagree with him are extremists. So yes, we are angry.

Thaks for that insight, Tim.

Thanks. Had I been on the laptop instead of the phone my comment might have touched on mary of the same elements.

Of course, the above post is little more than blind American exceptionalism. As though Catastrophic foreign defeats, uncontrolled immigration, a hundred-thousand opioid deaths a year, rampant crime, spiralling energy prices, and the worst inflation in forty years, is only happening in America. In fact, these things are happening all over the world not just in America. Evidently, there are just not enough conservatives in the world to save us from ourselves.

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Apparently I’m not an extremist, because I like ~63% of Americans think Joe has done a horrible job.

63%...63%...that's like the whole center of a normal distribution...a bell curve.

Hmm...i would love to see it plotted against IQ...

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A bell curve would put extremists outside the norm and thus uncommon. Calling half the population extremist is a bit of a stretch. There are some extremists in most societies. Right now there are some extremists in control of the government who are dividing the nation politically and socially.

I call them extremists because they are socialists and America is not socialist. They are extremists because they are destructive to the extant social norms of western society.

The Bell curve location of the ruling elite v normal distribution of social and political ideation is a very helpful way of thinking. To do it in rolling decades over centuries might be rather enlightening.

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US, Inc. is pretty messed up, but America is doing pretty well across the vast majority of her.

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It appears to me that the conservatives have not yet been able to organize to fight back any and all extremists, left or right. Not unexpected because conservatives are like a heard of cats, impossible to control anyone who wants to be left alone and wants to leave others the same way, in a country where a minority includes the media, wants to control everyone else by creating emergencies.

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Well, to an intensely religious man, an agnostic is a heretic. So, the difference between the parties has to count.

BiejingBiden showed himself and the jerks who control him to be pathological. Like all commie trash they must demonize anyone who even looks like they are thinking the wrong thing. The HillaryHag called me a deplorable. Since then anyone who disagrees with thisbunch of haters is at the very least a racist.

Having Aholes like them criticize me ............. I wear as a badge of honor. I'd hate to think they'd even agree with me. On anything.

Myfeelings about such are quite digital -- see piccie.

It’s not a white people problem, it’s a RICH PEOPLE PROBLEM.
The world, as we know it, is run by socio paths. There are exceptions of course, but if this wasn't true, things would be getting better by now, instead of worse.
Politicians, and the pharmaceutical industry are good examples. It is not in their best interest, to solve problems or cure disease.
The one percent, maintain their lavish lifestyle, exploiting human weakness.
Government is too lucrative a business, to allow anyone to kills the golden goose. That’s why the democrats are trying to impeach Trump.
It's a cyclical, back scratching loop.
Pharmaceutical industry creates synthetic Cannabis, then spends millions on bribes, and lobbying government, to keep natural Medicine illegal.
Huge developers promote, ever increasing codes and regulations. It makes the cost of building, so high, that no one can afford to play, except the big boys. Big money 💰
Many government regulations that keep small businesses out of competition, were lobbied for, by large corporations.
Media promotes democrats, and uses fear tactics to divide everyone.
They make Billions from political adds. Once again, only the deepest of pockets may play the game. Try running for office. If you aren’t from the ruling, monied class, you can’t play.
No one, with the best interests of the country, or the well being of its citizenry, can escape the relentless, mind control of the media. Only the chosen few, the extremists, have a chance.
What decent person would subject themselves to that fishbowl ?
Media and politicians, brainwash generations of children, teaching them to blame someone else for their problems, so they can help them overcome their oppressors.
This was, and should be, the greatest nation on earth 🌏
Replace the SocioPaths with REAL leaders, who care about real solutions to REAL problems.
Government is the problem, NOT the solution. Vote accordingly.
One ☝️ people: American
One ☝️ race 🏁
HUMAN ❣️

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