Video is only 3 minutes 22 seconds in length. The concluding remark by Kristan Hawkins precisely identifies the root cause of the pro-abortion debate.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.The closing statement nails it. Regardless of your position on abortion, it's hard to argue that the overwhelming majority are performed because one or both parties don't like the unintended consequences of their actions. There's a reasonable compromise to be had here, but as with most social issues, compromise is anathema.
coalburned
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Jan 18, 2023
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can you outline for us the compromise that you have in mind? because I just do not see where there is room for negotiating on the value of the living human growing in womb.
@iThink Rape, incest, severe deformity, and mother's life. Those are the only exceptions in my book. Where abortion is concerned, I'm 100% certain it will never be totally outlawed, so I'd like to at least drastically reduce the number of babies killed due to irresponsible parents who don't want to be accountable for their actions.
@coalburned agreed
The argument continues because NEITHER side wants a compromise (such that we have had for the last almost 50 years). They want ONLY their position enshrined, permanently, in our justice system and culture.
tracycoyle
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Jan 17, 2023
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R v W as not a compromise. Although by another definition of the word it did "compromise" the very lives of millions upon millions of living human beings in their earliest stages of development. Legalizing abortion or tacitly allowing it to go on is unarguably a moral outrage.
@iThink Given that I can't accept a morality based upon a belief in absolute Truth provided by an 'objective source' (ie deity), I have to rely upon a foundation that is not belief based: individual sovereignty. That said, from Mills:
In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign
Until such time as the fetus is capable of independence, it lacks sovereignty that over-rides the mother. So, while the 15 week rule in Mississippi is prior to that point, I accept that a State's population can decide that point (but it is less than scientific).
I understand the position that ALL abortion is considered murder - but that is part of the compromise that I hold those with it, can not infringe.
@tracycoyle so by your reasoning it would be acceptable to kill any person until they are mature enough to establish self sufficiency and sovereignty? Do you not see the absurdity in that?
@iThink no. you lack sovereignty if you can't express 'life'. So, a dead person, or a fetus not yet at the point of survivability, lack the ability to express 'life'. They lack the right. When a fetus CAN survive outside the mother, they have the ability to express 'life', they have the RIGHT to life.
Sovereignty once attained, can not be abdicated or removed except by death. And that means someone in a coma on life support STILL has the right to life.
@tracycoyle that is such a ridiculous and convoluted impossible to defend bit of nonsense - isn't really worthy of discussion.
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