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Does anyone actually believe that there was collusion between Trump and Russia with regard to our last election?

Does anyone actually believe that there was collusion between Trump and Russia with regard to our last election? Is it not painfully obvious to most thinking people that our media and FBI were weaponized in an attempt at a "soft" coupde'tat?

James 7 Feb 20
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I apologize if this is too long. I do not know what the limits of a post are.

Yes, I do believe there was collusion. I included sources at the bottom.

u/humanprogression:
Imagine you are a FBI Agent working Russian counterintelligence in 2016 and you witness the following:

you witnessed Russian hackers targeting a wide swath of Americans including the DNC, DCCC, former Secretary of State & a Presidential candidates staff

someone previously targeted by Russian Intelligence joins the Trump campaign and then appears on a stage in Moscow supporting Russia policy and speaking negatively of US policy

A Presidential candidate hires a new campaign manager whose not been in the business in the states for years, but has been seen pushing a Russian agenda in Ukraine and has Russian intel contacts

an Australian official contacts you and says the Russians have stolen emails of a Presidential candidate & may want to give them to the candidate’s competitor

a Russian lawyer & others tied to Russian government visit a Presidential candidate’s son in the candidate’s building in NYC

Candidate Trump stands on a stage and calls out Russia and asks about emails from his competitor, says they will be rewarded if they have them and release them

website that’s released sensitive & classified documents from US for years, helped deliver a US insider to The Kremlin, begins publishing document & emails during Dem convention, content you know was stolen by Russia. Site administrator once hosted a TV show on Russia State TV

A strange, unexpected policy change occurs at RNC convention, the change is a less supportive position toward Ukraine and is advantageous to Russia

candidate’s campaign manager goes on CNN and asserts a false terrorist attack in Turkey, one tied to and advanced by Russian propaganda

during this time, you watch a campaign associate tweet with a Russian account that’s pointing people to stolen documents from the opposing campaign. The campaign associate predicts something will happen to the opposing campaign manager- his emails are later released

as Election Day approaches, Presidential candidate makes allegation, without evidence, voter Fraud & Election Rigging, Russia propaganda echoes this, social media accounts associated Kremlin do the same, at same time, you watch Russian Hackers hit state election infrastructure

After election, current President issues sanctions against Russia, but the incoming National Security advisor makes calls to Russian officials from 3rd country, when approached for clarification post inauguration, the advisor lies about contents of phone call w/Russian officials

During summer fall leading into the election, you receive raw intelligence from highly reliable source whose proven invaluable on other investigations. source provides intelligence on Russia’s efforts to support a presidential candidate, the info is consistent with other info

Before inauguration your bosses, your leaders from all intelligence agencies brief president elect on classified info showing Russia influenced the election on behalf of President elect. President elect rejects intelligence from all your superiors and suggests Russia innocent

From the summer of 2015 all the way through the election and after inauguration, you watch as the candidate, president elect and now president offers overt effusive support for Vladimir Putin who you know has been helping the President get elected.

Shortly after inauguration, your new commander-in-chief spouts false information about Polish aggression toward Belarus. This is not supported by the Intelligence community you are in, and the only source for this viewpoint is Russian propaganda

After firing of National Security Advisor that lies to you agencies investigators, the President corners your boss 1-1 asks him to go easy on National Security Advisor who lies about his conversation with Russians

During this period, the President inexplicably and repeatedly asks your boss if he’s under investigation with regards to Russia, despite your boss and other intel heads going out of their way to brief the President about Kremlin efforts to potentially compromise & manipulate him

While Congressional committees investigate Russian interference, the President fires your boss for his handling of an email investigation into the President’s opponent, an investigation that helped elevate the President rather than hurt him

You later find out a draft memo from President to your boss regarding his firing cited the Russia investigation

The President then goes on national television and in an interview says he fired your boss because of the Russia investigation

A week after firing your boss, the President invites Russian leaders into the Oval Office, Russian photographers capture the moment, but US media is not allowed to observe. President then brags to Russian leaders about firing your boss

Sometime during the spring, if you’re not already aware, you read a news story alleging the President’s son-in-law may have sought a way to communicate with Russia via a back channel not monitored by you and your colleagues

During summer, you watch the President attend NATO summit and shove Montenegro PM, in an Interview claim Montenegro is aggressive, might start a war. This mirrors Russian propaganda & you know Russia backed covert operation destabilize Montenegrin election

For next year, either you, your colleagues and your organization, FBI, are discredited by President. He mixes true and false information in public disclosures which you are not allowed to respond to. If you do respond, your accused of leaking and could be fired or even jailed

Documents & information from confidential sources you’ve pledged to protect, are selectively leaked into public through those who are supposed to provide government oversight. These inappropriate disclosures make your job as an investigator nearly impossible & hurts your sources

At some point during the summer or before, you learn that the President’s son was receiving & responding to direct messages from website that was releasing emails stolen from the President’s opponent by Russia

1st two years President’s term, you watch him take a negative, adversarial stance toward NATO and particularly Germany. This strains your relationship with your most valuable intel partners, your Counterterrorism agent colleagues depend on them & they help fight war on terror

Over next 2 years, President aggressively seeks meetings with Putin who helped elect him. Need for meetings is not clear. one President meets in private with Putin for 2 hours without witnesses but translator. To this day, you, your bosses don’t really know what was discussed

President emerges from private meeting with Putin and on world stage in Helsinki accepts and validates Russian denials about election interference & rejects years of your teams intel work. This badly damages your reputation and partner trust with your organization

Separately, your President publicly discusses a Russian proposed partnership on cyber security, this insane concept is mind boggling to you as an investigator as you’ve just spent years tracking these same Russians who just attacked your country

Even further, your President publicly mentions a possible exchange where Russian investigators might interview and interrogate you and other Americans about their attack on you and America. A crazy, frightening and bizarre threat to you as a civil servant.

Throughout your investigation into Russian interference, you watch as your President’s attacks on the Special Counsel, Justice Department & FBI are amplified and spread in America by the very Russian troll social media accounts and state sponsored propaganda you are investigating

Throughout the Special Counsel indictments, hearings and trials, you watch the President and his legal team publicly interject, discredit witnesses and discuss pardons, all subverting the rule of law and justice which you’ve dedicated your life to protect and defend

You either know or learn a parallel investigation shows Russians representing a bogus Russian gun rights movement penetrated the political party hosting members who’ve tried to discredit you - you recognize this as a TEXTBOOK espionage/influence op you learned at FBI academy

After two years, the Attorney General over you, who appropriately recused himself from Russia investigation, is fired for seemingly no clear reason after taking public lashings from the President

Your AG is replaced by an acting AG whose unqualified for position, has limited experience justify such high level appointment, you’ve watched him on TV discrediting your agency and your team’s investigation despite seeing none of evidence or knowing anything Russian influence

The same month, the President’s personal lawyer pleads guilty in federal court and says he continued negotiations throughout almost the entire Presidential campaign for a Tower in Moscow. This is in opposition to President’s public denials.

You read public reporting that the best apartment in the Moscow Tower project pursued by the President’s business was offered to Russia’s President Putin, the same Putin your President always sides with over you and your agency, the Putin who helped your President win

You either knew or learned through a redaction error that the President’s campaign manager was alleged to have lied about providing polling data to a Russian whom he owed money, via a former Russian GRU contact

/- Clint Watts
Source of comment: [reddit.com]

u/PoppinKREAM in this thread: [np.reddit.com]
A visual guide to the key events in the Trump-Russia scandal: [vox.com]
Here’s what we learned about Team Trump’s ties to Russian interests: [washingtonpost.com]

...Yeah. Or it COULD be that the dossier used as an excuse to begin the biased investigation was a sham paid for by the democratic party to get a baseless investigation going by traitorous FBI agents in an effort to overturn the election. ...Why didn't the prosecute Hillary again? Why does your version insist that we swallow so much BS in order to make sense? ...What a load of crap dude. Next...

@James What kind of evidence would be necessary for you to accept the claim that there was some form of collusion between Trump and Russia?

Actual evidence. And the prosecution of Hillary Clinton. The rest is all smoke and mirrors & reeks of a setup. The biased attacks on Trump combined with the refusal to prosecute HC despite clear and convincing evidence of criminal acts reveals the Mueller investigation for what it is. A sham and a witch hunt.

@James Let me rephrase: what "actual evidence" would be necessary for you to accept the claim that there was some form of collusion between Trump and Russia?

@James Now, THAT is the Collision..

@James, @ThomasLadder There has NEVER or will there EVER be any Evidence of a collusion between Trump and the Russians... However, there is a MOUNTAIN of Evidence of said collusion between the DNC and Hillary.

@James, @ThomasLadder P.S. And its is very clear that the FBI has been and IS involved in Sedition beyond imagination............... The very fact that took a FAKE piece of paper to waste over 2 years and millions of OUR tax payer money to try to destroy a President is more than enough evidence to put many behind bars for LIFE.... But, as we all know, the Left/Progressive/Democrat Party is always above the Law of the Land and will never be accountable for this Sedition

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No I don’t believe Trump colluded with the Russians. Mueller’s Investigation is nothing more than a democrat witch hunt as they are sore losers.

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There was and there will never be any evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. But there is a whole lot of evidence of said collusion between Hillary and thus DNC and the fact that the FBI has tried to 'get' Trump has destroyed all confedece in our Justice System

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I read a good book about the democratic national committee and Hillary clinton and a russian operative or two. A book about our intelligence agencies spying on one of our own campaigns in the 2016 election. A book about covering that up with a media based spin story. Its called spygate. Its a nice read.

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If not collusion then a lot of coincidentally mutually beneficial parallel actions. In fact I suspect Muellar and company are going to use precedent from Anti-Trust Law to try to prove the former and not the latter. The key in establishing one from the other will concern any attempts to cover up contacts between the suspected colluding parties as well as any visibly suspect "public signalling" ie statements in the media etc. It will depend on whether or not Muellar has more than he's thought to have. The numerous redactions in the documents presented in the trials of Trump satellites could support Muellar having more or it could have merely been redactions protecting technical details. We will know soon.

Yet the Democrats lied by omission about the origins of dossier used to initiate the whole investigation to begin with and after all this time they have nothing. How can one support this investigation with any degree of intellectual honesty knowing full well the same FBI was presented with clear and convincing evidence that Hillary Clinton committed actual crimes with regard to her private server, destroyed tens of thousands of emails, and was given a total pass? Can you not see the hypocrisy in that? Under the circumstances is it not reasonable to admit the Mueller investigation is a politically motivated sham used to influence the election?

@James You have hit the Nail on the Head

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There is no evidence for the Russian collusion narrative, my opinion on this matter can only be informed by the evidence.

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Yes the FBI is the law enforcement branch of the democrat party. There is no collusion, just losers having a temper tantrum like 2 year olds.

Between rigging their own primary and then starting a bogus investigation with the intent to disrupt the election in their favor, have they not crossed the line into Treason? I do not say this lightly. I think not only that they have but that they are actively continuing to do so up to and including an attempted false flag when Trump was on his way to Korea (remember the mystery missle launch?)...

@James Treason I do not know. Definately does fit the definition of conspiracy though.

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Pretty clear as of late that the FBI and DOJ was compromised. I believe the whole Russia Collusion idea was conceived by Trump opponents. Unfortunately, no matter how much evidence is presented, the anti-Trump crowd will never be swayed.

...Yes but will there be prosecutions anyway (and are some of them going on now during the shutdown as has been suggested elsewhere)?

@James , I hope that justice can be done. Probably not though.

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I have no doubts about shady business practices with the Russians thru the years but I see no reason at all to think they colluded to swing the election . The Democrats simply cheated to make sure they nominated the only person out there that would have lost to Trump. The problem is because it was a woman we are ignore all the faults of her because it was "her turn" in the eyes of the MSM and establishment. The fact that those were our two options should have upset the whole electorate but America don't seem to pay much attention or even care about it all that much except for the tribalism aspect of it.

The arrogance of the idea "it was her turn" is astounding. I hope they are all brought to justice for their Treasonous actions.

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I don't believe the collusion story.

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Even if true, it's not bad because Russia is classically liberal.

Russia is governed be "classical" criminals. How is this Liberal?

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