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Russians get mocked into next week for what they post as propaganda 'win'-
[redstate.com]

I'm noticing a pattern in regards to all the hating on Zelensky, whatever political side one agrees with one must also vehemently deny the opposing view, and at times simply disagreeing because a known figurehead from the opposing side made a statement in support of a position so the individual must take the opposite stand regardless if said stance is not based in reality. For example, at the start of the Russian invasion a good portion of those on the right, if anything, were mostly sympathizing with Ukraine, but since Biden came out (finally) in support of the same some of those on the right almost immediately switched sides simply because more of those from the opposing side started to embrace that stance, and not surprisingly shortly after the conspiracy theories started popping-up on alternative sites. Very similar situation at the start of Covid spreading in the US where most of those on the right were feverishly telling everyone to stock up on supplies like masks and hand sanitizer because at that time the CDC was telling people not to do so as it "wasn't necessary". Eventually the CDC flipped their stance and soon as they did almost immediately rightwing circles also changed their stance and started to oppose mask wearing. Do know that I'm not picking on just the one side there, both extremes play demented games like that, and both extremes constantly spite each other regardless if in doing so they part ways with reality in the process. Also, there's no such thing as "alternative sources", there is only truth (reality) or fiction (lies), and to me the word alternative means someone is trying to deceive you with their own slanted views for whatever personal reasons. I don't trust these alternative sources anymore than I do the likes of CNN MSN or FOX.

Jeff Charles is right about this one, it's way beyond being just a bit goofy, and kinda reminds me of the "orange man bad" crowd except this would be the Russia/Ukraine version. Again, can't say I think Zelensky is an angel, but there are far worse folks out there than him. These people constantly going on about how perverted and evil Zelensky is truly do remind me of the paranoid orange man hater crowd, and on the other hand there are enough reasons to actually despise a homicidal tyrant like Putin, yet Putin is getting a free pass in some of the far-right circles. [redstate.com]

Of course, such is certainly not exclusive to the right, the following is an example of a leftist reporter making a jackass of himself- [redstate.com]nazi-sympathies-in-bizarre-self-owning-attack-n537430

It's nice to know (insert sarcasm) some of those on the right have joined the "paranoid nazi everywhere" crowd from the left, and now both they and the paranoid screechers on the left can cry nazis everywhere in Ukraine while the rest of us just sit back and poke fun of these people. Not my favorite thing to do, but some people leave you no choice and make it too easy. Both of those extremes truly do deserve each other. I'm sitting here wondering what screwy claims those folks are going to come up with next, and expect me to take them seriously.

SpikeTalon 10 Mar 20
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Nope, I'd say a lot of people in the centre or on the 'right' (whatever that means these days) simply aren't blindsided to the evil of what Ukraine has been doing, by the evil that Russia has/is doing. You can remain neutral and criticize one side without it meaning you're supporting the other side. You can say you understand what one side is logically doing without it somehow meaning you support them.
As for people who are contrarian to the status quo narrative - that's just a natural reaction to all past lies. If someone has been lying to you forever, it's natural to assume that they're lying now and will continue to lie to you (and that the truth is probably closer to the opposite of what they say). Doesn't always work, but as a general rule 🤷.
Pro-Russia or Pro-Ukraine are not the only two options. And no, we don't need 'equity' in criticism to remain neutral.

Think you missed my point, I don't deny there is evil in Ukraine, I take issue with those who find every excuse possible to support the tyrannical regime that currently is in power in Russia. Both sides on that matter have dirt on their hands, and yes some of us are neutral and are going by actual evidence and not hearsay.

I care not about equity in criticism per se, but sometimes in some situations there is one side who is evil, and the other side is flat out sinnister. Those who are upset by this post are precisely the ones who support these evils regardless of them trying to claim otherwise. What I said was true, each political extreme will take the stance opposite of what the other view gives official support to, I see this happening all the time and have been now for years, and it's part of the reason why we face the problems we are presently dealing with.

@SpikeTalon I don't think people are upset by the post, more so trying to say you're getting pulled into taking sides. This is very much along the lines of either support us or you're smeared as the enemy. I don't think that most people criticising Ukraine's government or leadership are Pro-Putin or Pro-Russia. I don't think people saying 'I understand what Putin/Russia is doing and why', means you support them. I don't see anyone really supporting Putin, but if you if you don't support Ukraine you're automatically labelled as a Putin/Russia supportist or apologist. If you convert this to the WW2 era, it's akin to saying if you don't support communism and the Red Army you must be a nazi or nazi supporter/apologist.
Yes, both sides are evil and have dirt on their hands but one side is globalist and the other more nationalist - hence people on the left support Ukraine whereas people in the right are split between trying to figure out which side is more evil and posses the biggest threat. And that's partly what this comes down to - another WEF plan to split, divide and conquer. They've (the WEF) have mastered the art. And that is exactly what it's doing to the 'right' - making people lean, than fall, to one side so they can pit people against each other and get rid of the middle.
Your posts seem to lean to the Pro-Ukraine side, or at least anyone that criticise Ukraine gets smeared with being Pro-Russian/Putin. A lot of the people trying to point this out aren't 'upset' by your posts, merely giving you a contra point to what info you have posted.

@Tom81 I don't take sides, just going where the evidence leads me. While I can agree with you on that, there have been a number of individuals on this site who have certainly made it clear they are in Putin's corner, and those are the people who I had suggested had gotten upset over this post. I only called such people Putin apologists because they had either readily declared agreement with that side or under any and all circumstances attempted to make apologies for obviously criminal behavior. Not true, and both globalist and nationalist are no good. A good portion of those on the right sympathize, while maybe not fully agreeing with, the Ukrainians, while those on the left now mostly also sympathize with the Ukrainians although they most certainly did not in the beginning and only switched their stance due to pressure from others. My posts may appear that way to you and others, but taking sides is not my goal, again I am only going where the evidence leads me. Keep in mind that in the beginning I too was skeptical of the US involvement in Ukraine and the Ukraine side in general, but evidence since then has come along and changed my mind, evidence some on here refuse to even acknowledge exists let alone understand it. No one will get the truth from listening to known Russian Government propaganda sources as they only seek to prop up the Russian Military's actions, and that's what I've been arguing with some others on here who insist I need to take such propaganda seriously, nevermind the fact that on some posts they openly mock and ridicule anyone who doesn't think as they do on the matter, so I countered with some of my own posts.

I don't mind others disagreeing with me, but I do take issue with the gaslighting from some that is gradually becoming more common on this site. They want me to listen to them and acknowledge their evidence, yet when I tell them I already have done that and said evidence is questionable and to take a look at what the other side has to say, I get met with gaslighting and personal insults, so if they think my post is hypocritical in any manner they should take a look in the mirror. With that said, thank you for giving input minus the gaslighting and crude assumptions, unlike some others on here.

@SpikeTalon personally the way I see it is it's two bad sides fighting each other. Fuck them both, I'm not going to take sides and I'm happy to criticize both. I feel bad sorry for the civilians from either side, but I don't see how either government or authority is better than the other. Having said that I feel like Ukraine's actions and situation is being excused while Russia/Putin is villafied. In my eyes they're just as bad. It's like being asked which is worse - Hitler or Stalin. To me - both bad just slightly different flavours, and personally I hope they end each other.
Also, I think that many people are siding with Russia/Putin because he's more against the WEF (which affects EVERYONE), and maybe the biggest /strongest chance against them. Kinda like backing Stalin to defeat Hitler - you hate them both but you're fighting fire with fire. Take out the globalists that are stronger before focusing on the smaller fry.
I'm adverse to authoritarianism, so I would like to see both crumble in terms of global influence. And that goes for any given country.

@Tom81 No arguing on that, they are both bad news.

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The same media that lied to you and brainwashed you with fear-porn and exaggerations, is the same media getting you ready to face Russian troops to go save poor Ukraine.

Personally, I have never cheered for Russia in my comments. I think the whole affair is sad as I have followed the situation for many years and I understand WHY Russia would do what they did. The USA invaded a number of third world countries run by tin-pot dictators who refused to play by their rules. The USA did what they had to do. No question about it. It was about the security of the USA and to save democracy so they did what they had to do. It was about weapons of mass destruction. It was about setting the millions and millions of Syrians free from the tyrannical brutality of Bashar Assad so the USA bombed all their cities to rubble and the newly freed people eventually made their way on foot to the EU where many even went on to the USA and Canada. Millions of Syrians are grateful!

Russian medias are no better, and if Putin keeps it up we won't be going to war over Ukraine, but rather doing so to put an end to a tyrant hellbent on making other people's lives miserable.

You have in a subtle way cheered on Russia, even going so far as to say Russia is a force to be reckoned with, as if there aren't other countries that would be too if messed with. I too have followed Russian politics for a number of years, and try as I may I cannot find justification for Putin invading a country when there were other options on the table. Oh that's right I forgot, Putin is a tyrant who desires to force his views on others and bring back the "glory days" of the Soviet Union. The US had been wrong in the past when they invaded certain countries like Iraq, we had no business being over there when we were already in the middle of another war at the time. Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but my Government is not always right. I don't mind you pointing out the obvious there, it's just a shame you don't criticize Russia a bit more for all of their hostile actions. That's where you and I are different, you pick and choose as to who's right or wrong whereas I've no qualms criticizing them all. I'm not exactly a Government-friendly individual, I distrust all of them.

@SpikeTalon

I cheer against the lies and tyranny we are living under that we are told is a democracy. I am cheering against the corruption and graft our politicians and their families practice in Ukraine and get away with. I am cheering to get these evil bankster puppets of the WEF out of office and placed in prison. I want to see Hunter Biden and his corrupted father go to prison!

Putin warned and warned the west and Biden literally LAUGHED at him. That is a fact. No one can expect Russia to roll over and have their belly scratched by the west with the evil stuff going on under Zelensky and the Biden admin. Russia is not frightened of the west. They are furious with the west. Russians make MUCH BETTER friends than enemies!

@Sensrhim4hizvewz I don't deny there's corruption in the places you mentioned above, but there's also no shortage of corruption in Russia too, and for some reason you don't want to acknowledge that. Any country that could be considered a world superpower is subjected to the evils that you are concerned about. Plenty of my Democratic politicians have dirty ties to Russia and China, not just Ukraine.

Putin warned the west that he had his own vision for Russia's future and countries like Ukraine, and said vision being the former KGB man envisioning a restored communist soviet union under his direct command and control with no exceptions, that's a fact. Unfortunately for Putin, the west (and allies) are not interested in seeing a homicidal tyrant drag Russia back down to the misery days of communist rule, and they have a right to resist Putin's twisted desires. Of course Putin didn't like that, threw a hissy fit and proceeded to invade the country he has long held a grudge against. The Russian regime are no innocents, and if they think they can do whatever they want then the west will do what need to be done to resist such tyranny. So what, the US isn't frightened of Russia either. My late father while he had served in the Military had worked on a top secret missile base, and he swore on his life that the US had more weapons of mass destruction than the other countries realized, and back then if Cuba or Russia had started something with us we would have ended it swiftly. Why do you suppose neither of them started anything, because they knew the US would have annihilated their countries if they did. Russia is bluffing like they usually do, they have nothing much else, and it hasn't been exactly as easy as Putin initially thought to takeover Ukraine, the Ukrainians are giving his Military a run for their money, but he won't admit though. Anyone who supports tyranny or communism is no friend of mine, and the current Russian regime supports both of those. I'll stick with the US on that one, while they aren't always honest nor are they "invincible", they too are a force to be reckoned with and they unlike some others do appreciate living in a society that is not communist.

@SpikeTalon

I am sorry to see you believe Putin is bluffing. I have to disagree and so do a great many analysts who see a Russia that is disconnecting itself from the West (vis-a-vis Wall Street and the IMF). They have been establishing their own financial, trade and banking system with a group of partner nations called BRICS.

Putin views the west as his mistrusted enemy and he demands a specific buffer zone of security. He does not intend to rejoin the west. He is happy to trade with the west, but only in the ruble or yuan.

If you know your adversary feels pushed up against the wall (or if you refuse to believe it), you can expect them to react to their view of the threat. Believing the mighty USA can take out Russia in days (this was repeated by an MSNBC Warhawk), is putting the whole world at risk.

Russia is a serious threat and a very capable adversary. If China joined a military alliance with Russia (it's coming very soon), this would force the USA to fight in both hemispheres and in all quadrants. This will be the economic destruction of the USA as a world power. Very dangerous to have supremacist views against a nuclear power

@Sensrhim4hizvewz To clarify, I believe Putin is bluffing to the extent about how much he is willing to take action against the US, but not so much on his threats towards using heavy weapons against Ukraine, and there is strong reason to believe Putin may still use nukes or chemical attacks against Ukraine. So to that extent I do not think he is bluffing.

The feeling is mutual, we here in the west care not about his tyrannical approach to matters, just so long as he doesn't try anything with us or any of our allies.

The rest of the world doesn't realize just how many powerful weapons the US possesses, and as for putting the whole world at risk... Putin would be doing that by challenging us. No one here in my country really wants another war, but we will defend ourselves if Russia attempts a move, and do know that when we do so we intend on winning. While it's true China and Russia should not be underestimated, neither should the US, we have the weapons and tech and aren't afraid to use them if the situation warrants it. Why do you suppose Putin didn't make a move during Trump's Presidency? Because he knew damn well if he tried any crap that Trump would have hit his country with everything we got.

The US will not be intimidated by tyrannical regimes, world superpowers or not, and will do whatever is necessary should someone force our hand. Again, we don't want that which is why there have been interests in holding meetings to talk things out. That hasn't yielded much results so far, but who knows that may change, one could only hope so.

@SpikeTalon

Along his own borders, he is not bluffing but I doubt Putin plans on invading the US mainland. If US forces directly confronted Russian forces inside Ukraine, it would mean US troops were right along Russia's border. This would escalate Putin's response significantly. Putin doesn't have to match the US in LR bombers or fighter jets. He just has to have the right numbers of the right weapons/technology such as their hypersonic aeroballistic missiles. Nothing...and I mean NOTHING can stop them! Let's hope they never get used by Russia

@Sensrhim4hizvewz I doubt the US will make the first move. The US does possess the means to stop such by the way, and if Russia ever goes that route there will be hell to pay.

@SpikeTalon

No nation can stop a missile going 9200 mph. Now you are being silly. The USA is no exception. The west has called it "unstoppable"

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