Have we now scientifically established that even the election of a black president is not enough to make black Americans feel "assimilated"?
And have we now also established that teenage white girls and obese white single mothers will always endeavour to join any looting activity initiated by black males?
Finally, have we also established that racial generalizations are an actual description of social realities and an effective predictor of people's behaviour in response to perceived emotional stimuli?
I'd say there is sufficient evidence at this point to justify a political Solution. 
3
Be part of the movement!
Welcome to the community for those who value free speech, evidence and civil discourse.Create your free account
4 comments
Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.“Racial generalizations” ? And then you follow up with “white teenage girls and obese white single mothers ...”
As for your final point, I have no idea. Multi syllabic words do not make coherent sentences on their own.
Idiots will always be idiots no matter their race, sex, age, or weight.
And I think you’re going to have to come up with more “evidence” than this for a political solution.
And if this is satire, then perhaps you should identify it as such.
Indomitableman
Level 4
May 30, 2020
3
No, my friend. I have no need to provide anything. If you think the status quo is acceptable, please do carry on living as you wish, doing what you wish, thinking what you wish, voting for whoever you wish. If you are smart, you are rich. And if you are rich, you are going to have homes and residences in multiple places at the same time, always ensuring to be away from the wrong place at the wrong time. But if one is to take responsibility to fix a problem, I wonder, should one try and propose Solutions or simply leave everything to caos, chance, and luck?
Because it seems to me that chancing it is exactly your approach to this.
Your observation is very surface level and that is the type of thinking that has led to things like the protests. They see on their television a black person getting killed a couple times a year and it paints a picture of something that is not accurate.
Things are complex. Black people are well assimilated and your descriptions are very generalized. You wouldn't like it if someone lumped you in a generalized group and prescribed your thinking based purely off your skin color or nationality.
The problem is that there are bad actors of every race and we have a population filled with guilt from the past wrong doings to black people as a complete pass for black people who are doing wrong. I don't care about their race, if they are breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted.
Things are very complex when it comes to the history of black americans and it is not simple by any long shot. Everything is purely economic. You think the people out there burning things down are hard working professionals? How many 40 or 50 year olds do you see out there? They are primarily teenagers and 20 year olds who are idealistic about the world and think they have been wronged in every which way. These are issues with the culture war. You have black people who feel they are victims and you have guilty white people, including the media, who won't denounce bad behavior in fear of being labeled racists.
BlackoutNJ
Level 7
May 30, 2020
7
I would also suggest that the probability of the majority of the rioters coming from broken homes is going to be high. It doesn't matter what color your skin is. Those little barbarians tend to have grown up fatherless.
@Marcoullier Barbarians is strong. Humans are complex and do all types of terrible things. They are misguided and miseducated. You're likely right about broken homes unfortunately.
@BlackoutNJ overall, looting and pillaging are considered barbarous acts. Some folks there are actually trying to be benevolent. My nephew was gassed while trying to help someone on the street. Generally speaking, barbarians tend to loot, burn and it seems it has escalated to murder.
@Marcoullier I stand corrected.
Sorry my friend. I no longer believe this is a historical problem between blacks and whites. Neither am I convinced of your "economic deprivation" theory.
London 2012 - a black drug dealer is killed by Police. Social media reports the case. Riots ensue all over the UK
Minneapolis 2020 - a black guy arrested for being drunk and using counterfeit currency is killed by Police. Social media reports the case. Riots ensue all over the US.
These are all people who may not have a fixed job, and yet they all can afford mobile phones and contracts. We are talking about the 1st and 6th richest nations on Earth here, not some randon african, south american or ex-soviet country plagued by embezzelment and corruption.
Your economic argument is not an argument. It doesn't stack up to any sort of scrutiny. This is a social phenomenon caused, initiated, publicized, supported, organized and metastasized by a people who do identify themselves by skin colour.
The generalizations I have made in my posts do not reflect the world as I personally see it. Such generalizations do reflect the world as They see it. They make this obvious with each slogan they shout, with each poster they fly around and with each comment they post on social media.
They identify themselves as "they". They did not see a criminal being killed by Police in Minneapolis. All they saw was "one of them" being killed by Police. They did not intend to wait for the Police report on the case. They did not wait for the coroner report. They did not intend to find out whether the cause of death was indeed suffocation or drug overdose.
They saw the video and they did become exactly what they were accusing that Police officer of being. Judge, jury and executioner.
This is a social phenomenon based on perceptions, on biases, on prejudice, on emotional thinking. Economics has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.
@LeonardoFumarola I agree with you, there is an ideology at hand here but economics do come into play for some of these things along with many other facts.
Give me another day or so, I'm working on something big filled with statistics that pertains to questions about blacks in america today.
The issue for blacks born in the United States has never been assimilation. Assimilation is something that should happen when someone moves to a new culture and becomes a part of that culture and society. For people born into a society, the issue is always the conflict within a culture or society over what that society wants to be. Many blacks felt that they were a part of the American society before Obama was elected, and others had decided long before he was elected that they were never going to become part of the traditional, functional, American society.
The idea of a monolithic "black society" is also wrong. Among many blacks, there's an attitude that productivity and achievement is a bad thing. These people see those qualities as "acting white." For many of them, doing well in school is wrong because doing so is "acting white." On the other hand, many blacks reject that idea entirely. They may have experienced prejudice in the form of people treating them with suspicion because they are black. They may have been rejected from certain groups because they are black. However, they see achievement and productivity as a necessary part of improving their own lives and the lives of people in their community regardless of the racial or ethnic backgrounds of anyone in their community. I've worked with many black people, and I've never met anyone who would have tolerated his or her children refusing to learn in school because learning is "acting white." I know people who've run into that attitude, so I don't doubt that it exists. However, I see people who shun achievement and productivity as being part of a different community from people who seek achievement and productivity regardless of racial or ethnic backgrounds.
Likewise, the notion that teenage white women and "obese white single mothers" will always join rioting and looting started by black males has no foundation. That we may see some members of each of these demographic groups joining this crime spree does not mean that all members of these demographics would do that under the same conditions. Again, the idea of a monolithic "teenage white girls" demographic or "obese white single mothers" demographic is simply wrong. To answer the question, no, we have not established this notion at all.
Finally, we have not established that racial generalizations are an accurate or reliable description of behaviors. The truth remains that many people of all races and ethnicities are angry at what Chauvin did but do not support rioting or looting. People of all races and ethnicities reject the generalized hatred of police. People of all races and ethnicities see the stupidity in all that has happened.
In terms of political solutions, we need to stop believing that the government can transform people. People have to want to transform themselves. We need to end programs that try to make everything right and assuage some people's guilt over their success. We need to end programs that contribute to the disconnect in people's minds between their actions and their outcomes. We've reached a point that few people really believe that justice is served by putting someone in jail for discrete, moderate drug use. We need to change our laws so that we put people in jail not to make them do what we want but because we really believe that justice is served only by putting them in jail. However, when they violate someone else's rights, they should go to jail. There are many other steps we could take, but those will suffice for this discussion.
WftRight
Level 6
May 30, 2020
5
I 1000% agree.
My God I have never heard the thuthbas well as you have expressed. I'm new on here but want to hear more from you. Thank you so much.
Interesting argument. A self-defeating argument at that. First you begin by saying that the problem has never been "assimilation" and then you proceed by saying that you believe in the existence of a group of black people who believe that "acting white" is wrong. Up to this point all you have contributed to are Semantics. Rethorics. Zero solutions.
Secondly, you have tried to argue my use of generalizations by highlithing their inaccuracy in describing reality. But I never intended to be accurate to begin with. Generalizations are always simplifications, except in mathematics. If you have an argument about the morality of the use of a generalization, why not taking such argument to the protestors who are basing all of their words and actions purely on skin colour out there on US streets and even in the UK?
Thirdly, you made a point about governments being actually incapable to change people. This is, in my opinion, completely irrelevant. Whether a government can or can't change people is a matter for sociologists and historians. Let's leave this argument to them for the time being. What we should be doing now is looking at political alternatives which can practically be implemented with current resources. Solutions which may be based on historical precedents and which may or may not deliver the same results as in the past.
So let's look at reality, shall we? When was the last time two ethnically diverse groups successfully merged into one another? How was it done? Who did it? What did they do to achieve such a result? Is it possible to do the same today?
And let us also look at ethnically diverse groups who were successfully split from one another. How was it done? Who did it? What did they do to achieve such a result? Is it possible to do the same today?
Forthly, your point on the justice system. Why is there even an argument here? Criminals go to jail. That's it. That is justice. If jails can transform these people, and under which conditions this can be achieved, that is a separate argument. In my opinion, jails today are just schools of crime. A waste of public money. Criminals should be isolated from each other. Used for hard work with zero contacts with anybody else. They should spend years thinking of their mistakes in total isolation, getting out only for work. Dreading to return to jail. They should fear jail. Then, and only then, jail time would become a factor in their decision making processes. But none of this has anything to do with the issue at hand.
And the issue is simple. Racial division is a perceived problem with real behavioural implications which do not go away with the mere passage of time. Solutions do exist. And it seems to me that no-one has the balls to discuss them. Reverting instead on pure rethoric which is tantamount to wasting everybody's time.
What I've contributed is accuracy. You've just admitted "But I never intended to be accurate to begin with." If I want political solutions from someone who has no interest in being accurate, I might as well support Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Any good solution to any real problem begins with accuracy. I don't trust people who revel in their inaccuracy regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.
I pointed out that "assimilation" is a term used regarding immigrants, not people who have been in a country for generations. Once again, the conflict here is accuracy versus inaccuracy.
I pointed out that neither the black demographic nor the white demographic is monolithic. I argued that denigrating productivity and education as "acting white" is a part of one kind of black demographic while celebrating education and productivity is part of another kind of black demographic supports that idea. What I've said is true and accurate.
You keep talking about reality, but if we want reality, we have to be accurate. You've already thrown aside the idea of being accurate in the pursuit of whatever you seem to be wanting to advocate.
That you try to start a post by talking about "scientifically established" and then fall into admitting that you aren't trying to be accurate suggests a lack of understanding of science or anything else. You throw around the buzzwords like "scientifically" and "realistically," but science and reality have to start with accuracy. If you fail on accuracy, you fail on science and reality. You hashtag the word "evidence," but again, real evidence depends on accuracy.
You accuse me of wasting people's time because I point out the errors of your rhetoric.
You talk about solutions, but you don't state them directly. If you have a solution to propose, you need to explain your solution clearly and accurately to let people judge your ideas. If you aren't willing or able to do that, then this entire thread is a waste of everyone's time.
What political solutions do you propose
iThink
Level 9
May 30, 2020
0
Well I think it's obvious. Excluding outlandish and illegal solutions such as subsequent processes of genetic assimilations from generation to generation which all parties would have to agree and comply with, one can either proceed on the road of tolerance/integration/reparation with a renewed emphasis/approach/methodology hoping to achieve better results than the ones achieved to date or one can do what the British did with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or what the UN did with Israel and Palestine.
One can't choose whether to have a conflict or not. The question is whether the conflict should be fought inside or outside one's border.
A realistic approach to a perceived problem requires careful consideration of historical precedents.
Be part of the movement!
Welcome to the community for those who value free speech, evidence and civil discourse.Create your free account
Share this post
Categories
Slug does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.