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Random - why do people date and get married? I used to be jealous, but now? It doesnt seem worth it even if i got it. Too many hoops, too much uncertainty, and in the end one of you will end up alone anyway (given mortality). I could go into how money looks and status matter more than society wants to admit, but mgtow has some serious problems with whining.

vptran31 6 Feb 25
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I thought about this a lot before I got married. In the end it wasn’t that I “had” to, or I should, I had always hated the idea that the world says I needed a wife and a dog and family and a white picket fence to be happy. I did it because I wanted to. Plus I believe if you ever intend to have children you should plan on settling down and providing a stable household.

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I love being married and coming home to my wife and 2 young children. I love being able to support her in raising our kids. I firmly believe that if this life were just about me then this life would suck. Sure my wife (and kids) represents a vulnerability but I like what we are building together. A life of leisure is for when I was a child. Sacrificing my time and energy is what I believe I am called to do.

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Haven't dated seriously now for a few years, and never got married.

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MGTOW whine? I see them pointing out double standards and problems of our system but not so much whining. The whole point of marriage is security for women and since it is so weighted in the court system men are choosing to let women work til death like we have had the privilege of doing all thru history. Even large numbers of men that aren't MGTOW are still following the same guidelines as MGTOW follow. Another generation or two and the pendulum swing will be going back to more traditional roles is my guess. Younger women are already leaving feminism and trying to speak out against it so it will change.

Thank you for the valuable input. I do hope gender relations improve in my lifetime. As for my comment about mgtow whining, yes i stand by it. I love the idea of being my own person, but many youtube personalities spent a bulk of their time speaking about feminine injustices, instead of edifying fellow men. It might just be a matter of taste on my part. Not positive.. 21 studios is a great concept but unsure if that is technically mgtow

@vptran31 MGTOW isn't about edifying men tho. It's not a movement or activism, it simply is information for young men in order to protect them from the dangers of today's culture when it comes to love and marriage. MRA groups are the ones out there fighting for men, MGTOW is about checking out and letting society collapse, if it takes it, to get the balance back.

@george. Oh. I didnt know that. I thought going your own way was a call back to individual determinism.

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Getting married to be married, because you're supposed to be married, is foolish, and leads to the divorce rates that we see currently. However when you look at someone and you know that you don't want to be with anybody else, and it makes sense to you financially, and whatever else in your life, it's fine. But if you need a shiny piece of paper from a government to tell you how how you feel about someone you should probably avoid marriage

Just because I want to be with them forever don't mean they will feel the same and the risk/reward factor makes marriage a never.

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