Ah neber tak de bate

Exactly!

MInd and ears open...

I try to keep an open mind, though not so open that my brain falls out.

Yeah, shut up and you might learn something, is a good mantra.

It's so hard to discuss or argue with , and there is never progress with . They are still .

I would love to say that I have a similar goal in a discussion or debate but I must be honest and often times I go for the win. I try to Remember what Peterson says about assuming that everyone you interact with has something to teach you

It’s certainly what you should be aiming for but I think it’s easy to underestimate just how difficult this is. Truthfully, I do not think most people are actually cut out for a sincere and frank discussion.

For starters, the cost of admitting that one is wrong about something is often high. I don’t mean the embarrassment one feels over making a mistake, or being bested by someone else. I mean the pain of actually having your belief system destroyed and changed. There are many people who have talked about switching sides when they have grown fed up with those who they originally had an allegiance to; there are comparatively few who have completely abandoned a world view to which they were previously completely committed to. And even among this group there are many who “having lost their faith, think they have found their reason”. Basically ideologues who have changed shoes.

And the reason there are few of them is because to sincerely change one’s mind, is a genuinely traumatic experience. It means far more than admitting one can make mistakes, but admitting that ones entire value system was wrong.

And this is one area for which I will always admire Peter Hitchens, much as I disagree with him. He is frank about this experience, he acknowledges the anguish it causes and he does not completely disown his past as if he was ashamed of it. He recognises that there is something in it (marxism in his case), even if he believes it is wrong.

If you are not prepared to go through such an experience, do not claim you are concerned with progress and not being right.

And to be clear, I don’t know if I am capable of this either. I consciously seek out those who disagree with me, argue with them and have yet to be persuaded I’m fundamentally wrong... but even that isn’t enough to be sure. I may not be able to find the right people... but I may not be as honest about it as I would like either.

a better way to put this has have open debates within the public realm that are honest and let the public decide their own opinions.

Not only is it not healthy the best debater isn't always the one with the best ideas