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Does Anyone here think we should have a health care system like Canada's? My sister lives in Alberta, so I get an inside perspective and it's a positive one. Also I am a walking quadriplegic and talk to folks online in our support group from Canada. They get faster, and more comprehensive care than we do. I have medicare with my disability benefits (Social Security is a rabbit hole we won't go down right now) and it is the best health care I've had in years. I think it's because I chose the UHC option. But compared to Canada's system I am not getting all I need to be normal again. Can you imagine being disabled, knowing there is something available that will allow you to be normal again, and not being able to get it because you can't afford it?
That being said, it's OBVIOUS that with the swamp rats in abundance in our Congress, they are incapable of instituting that kind of system efficiently.

RandyCooper 3 Mar 23
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I am US born but moved to Canada in 2007 with my Canadian wife and am a Dual Citizen, now live back in the US. I'm a reasonably healthy person and I hate doctors (nothing personal) so I avoid them (ironically) like the plague.

In 2007, I had, what I would consider good employer sponsored health insurance in the US. Premiums were reasonable, service was great when needed. Though I generally avoided doctors, my wife has had quite a few health issues, resulting in something like 6 surgeries in 13 months. We didn't go broke and my health insurance covered nearly all of it.

When we moved to Canada, we were in somewhat of a rural area but were in the city that had the regional hospital, so "health care" (the quotes are intentional) was close. I transferred my job laterally within the same company and my net income decreased slightly because of the difference in taxes, which actually includes health insurance so it was somewhat of a wash...

Now, for the "health care" in Canada... Sure, it's free... But you may not have an actual Doctor that you can schedule an appointment with for general checkups or minor issues. Doctors aren't always able to take new patients, so for anything that ails you, unless you're lucky enough to get a doctor, you get to sit in the Emergency Room for 6-10 hours. And for the Regional Hospital in our area, the Doctor actually goes home at 7p and is only on-call for life threatening issues. Emergency Rooms "treat the symptom" and tell you to follow-up with your Doctor, that you may not even have. But it's "free"...

Let's step it up... Say you have a cough. You're a smoker and not in the best of health though so when you go to the doctor (if you have one), they send you for a few basic "cold detection" tests that come back negative tell you to quit smoking and send you home.

A few months later the cough gets worse so they, again send you for a few basic "cold detection" tests AND take an x-ray but hey can't see anything on the X-Ray so they send you home with a few pills and tell you to quit smoking.

Over the next couple of months, the cough gets worse and it's impacting your life so you go back to the doctor and they run the "cold detection" tests again which come back negative and they send you for another X-Ray. Nothing shows up again so it's a few more pills, BUT it's time for a CT scan. Well, that's a 6 month wait because the nearest facility with a CT scanner is 2 hours away, but wait! That's a different province (state), so you'll actually have to go to the one that a 6 hour drive.

The CT doesn't show anything, but the cough persists and gets painful a month later. So you go back to your doctor and he pulls out the stops and sends you for an MRI, but that's another 6 month wait (if your lucky), AND it's actually a 12 hour drive for your 2am, Sunday appointment (no lie - 2am appointment on a Sunday - they run it 24/7).

The MRI shows it's Cancer that the government deems "untreatable," so you die three months later... From a spot on your lung the size of a dime where if it had only been caught a few months earlier, the outcome might have been different. This happened to my wife's father....

Now, things "may" be a little different in the city centers, but nothing happens quickly at the regional level.

But it's "free"... THAT is Canadian Health care... The GOVERNMENT decide what is treatable and who gets treated and when.

THAT SAID...
When my wife and I moved back to the US in 2016, I am absolutely appalled by the current health insurance system. The premiums are 3 times what they were in 2007 and it covers less. So, WTF?!?!

The US Health Insurance system was pretty good from my perspective in 2007, but now it IS BROKEN, very badly.

So, something needs to change but I do NOT believe that the Canadian system is the answer. I, again, live in a somewhat rural area in the US, so would again be burdened by the regional health care woes that we had in Canada.

I think some sort of two tier system is reasonable.

If you make less than a certain amount of money per year, you're automatically in the government health insurance program with no premium. If you make more than a "certain" amount of money, you can opt-in for the government program and you pay a premium. The more you make, the more the premium goes up but should be competitive with private health insurance.

Private health insurance should still be available and if you opt-OUT of the government program, you pay those premiums for your coverage.

I live in rural Nova Scotia and agree with most of what you said about our health care system. However, if we did not have it, me and my family (parents, siblings, etc) would be bankrupt due to a genetic illness.

Also, if your father-in-law was really worried about his cough he could have jumped the queues and paid for a MRI - my boyfriend did and it only cost him $700. It turned out he wasted his money, but it put his mind at rest re: a spinal cord injury.

My experience is that when it's an emergency or suspected-emergency, our system jumps into gear and patients get what they need in a timely manner, even in the country where we don't have enough doctors. I haven't had one going on 10 years and I am well taken care of by our local clinics.

However, waiting times in the emergency rooms, if you're not dying, are a bitch.

Yes, if there is a diagnosed problem or something they can point at that is detected and deemed treatable by the government, sure... They're on it! I'll give them that, for sure...

But, if you have common symptoms (i.e. what my father-in-law had), GETTING that diagnosis could take too long.

My point being that, as purely a government run system, there aren't enough doctors, equipment or people to operate it if you have to run an MRI 24/7 and people are having to wait 6 months in the "standard" queue.

If you pay to jump the queue, the "free health care" is no longer free and what is the justification for the additional cost if you jump the queue? The privilege? It certainly doesn't cost any more for the person to move up in line.

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A woman in New Bruinswick died the other day while waiting eleven hours in the emergency room, its not without its flaws, if we had private delivery with public money the system would be far more efficient.

I don't understand how that happened. When I go to an Emergency Room after a while "vitals" (blood pressure, etc) are taken, it is determined whether or not I am in immediate danger, I sit and wait to see a specialist (who might be at home) or an ER doctor. Maybe she did not have very "visible" or evident symptoms. Or maybe that ER really sucks...I don't know.

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I am so very torn on this issue and your example makes it even more difficult. I am inherently distrustful of big government. Sadly government would need to run a healthcare system like that and ours is corrupt, wasteful and bogged down in bureaucracy. I do see that it would be humane for everyone to have health care but I’m not sure how we could effectively and efficiently run such a program. I wish you well and I hope you can get the services and therapies that you need.

Of course it would be in no way affordable if it were open to non citizens, as your gov. wants. Pray that Trump gets 8 years, and along with Barr they rid our govt. of the greedy corrupt deep staters.

My Canadian wife's father took more than a year to get diagnosed with lung cancer, waiting for diagnostic testing. When they finally found the spot on his lungs, Government decided it was not treatable so he died 3 months after the diagnosis.

Big Government is BIGGER problems, IMHO....

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