history is a good teacher.

Glad you said something about brainwashing so I didn’t have to.

I know you didn't ask me, so pardon my intrusion, but Is political power being centralized or no?

@FrankZeleniuk, but that's still at the observation stage. We see stuff happening, but who would specifically be pulling the strings, and are their unwitting accomplices (the media), or is this all being acutely choreographed? Leftist is a big place. Who's running it?

@chuckpo The UN, the WTO, the World Bank, The IMF, Climate Change, mass migration all heavily supported by governments and the masses. Is national sovereignty being usurped or no? Is there a need for a single choreographer, an individual, a family or a committee? Or is it thee and me that desires one or the other?

@FrankZeleniuk, there needs to be a good understanding of what's going on before you have much hope of dismantling it. So, yeah--we need to know. You can't effectively target 'the masses', nor can you understand what specific factors are driving them.

Like, what's driving pro-2A? Is it the NRA, is it a fear of our own Government, or is it an inalienable right to protect yourself? Anti-2A people don't know, and they're too lazy to find out. The NRA IS NOT fueling our fight. They're just our best weapon in that fight. The anti-gun proponents literally don't know that. Nothing will galvanize me to organize behind a pro-2A movement like the left destroying the NRA, and I have a feeling there are millions of people just like me. They will turn a 5 million membership into 20 million strong organized group overnight. That ignorance will cost the anti-2A political arm sorely, and the fact the ignorance was a chosen position will be tough to swallow for them.

So, who is running the left, and what is their end goal? New world order of centralized government? So, every president since Reagan is in the group? What do they want exactly? We need to know. We're lucky Trump came along, because the new world order was nearly a given until he did. Centralized government is a really bad idea. It's why we have 50 states with power. Anyway...

@chuckpo Check out dialectical materialism and position nationalism and internationalism. What's the synthesis? As long as those two concepts are alive and are juxtaposed there will be a struggle.
Identity politics? Entirely an application of dialectical materialism. It is an expansion of the class struggle Marx described. No longer just the proletariat and bourgeoisie. It is the victim and the oppressor as always. The feminist, the racial minority, the LGBTQ, the classical socialist struggle of the poor, the young - victims all. And the oppressor class - the cultural nationalist of western civilization. The only civilization that is inclusive and allows for all victim classes to thrive under human rights and compassion. The one who grants the victims state sanctioned privilege and who those victims then target. Knowingly or unknowingly, I would say unknowingly by about 98%, the effect is created, that effect being chaos and turmoil that in turn demands the reinstatement of order - Please. Which way to the fox's den?

@FrankZeleniuk, well, that's just saying that people who don't have want to have, and people who do have want to have. I don't think you have to look past that to recognize struggle is inevitable and possibly perpetual. Victimhood is both personal and political power and control, and it's inescapable, because it's readily scalable and relative. We have the same hierarchies even though the relative wealth of the world has risen dramatically--wealth probably isn't a very good term, but it will have to do since I can't think of another word right now--prosperity, maybe. But, I'm not sure that tells us who's pulling the strings. Obviously, the proletariat (expanded) are the pawns maneuvered around the board, their victimization being manipulation by the ruling class more than or at least equal to material victimization (which is better, we demand your poverty or we demand your death?--worse when they win both from people far above any direct negative consequence). Since we don't have a philosopher out there pumping up the hoards, who's driving the ship--where are the marching orders coming from? I guarantee you the 99% aren't out there reading pamphlets on the proletariat. Can I assume you don't know where it's coming from either? --what's behind this exactly? What is the 5 year, 10 year, 50 year plan? Is there a plan to deal with the inevitable problems that come up with the new system? is there a Marxist club with brand and widespread appeal? I haven't talked to even one person from that side of the fence that knows even basic facts about socialism, let alone going Hegelian or Marx/Engels. So, is this largely driven by some insentient ebb?

@chuckpo

I don't think you have to look past that to recognize struggle is inevitable and possibly perpetual.

Yes. I agree that sort of describes life in a nutshell. Without challenge or goals that have obstacles we rot. We can choose to wear a victim label or not. My condition is because...blah, blah, blah oppressed me. It is an abrogation of personal responsibility to accept and wear that label. The feminist is no longer a victim of the patriarchy but will use that label as an excuse for failure. The Black is no longer a slave but insists on wearing the label victim as an excuse.

Then there are all the do-gooders and morally superior demanding sanctions for the victim. The Dems are the party that has traditionally embraced the victim, starting with the working poor and unionizing them. Once under their wing their is little chance of escaping the victim label. Do so and you are at once vilified. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Herman Cain refuse to wear the victim label. They are ignored or crushed.

It is best you know nothing of Marx/Engels or the Hegelian dialectic lest you see what is going on. What is socialism? The right is trying desperately to define it but it morphs into whatever defines the current struggle. Climate change, for instance. The victims of the use of fossil fuels as well as the planet itself is at stake. Is this socialism? No. it is just doing what is right.

The right are just as malleable. They only wish to "conserve" the socio/economic/political status quo. They aren't going to be victims but they are easily shamed and wear guilt on their sleeves. They are members of the oppressor class. They owned slaves. They oppressed women. They marginalized Gays and belittled different religions.

The game is set. Who are the drivers, you ask? And what is the objective? I think the objectives are laid out fairly well by the UN in Agenda 21. Depopulation is a major goal. The productive middle class is being eroded and eventually eliminated. The poor will thank the rich for eliminating their oppressors and serve them well. The drivers. It's been going on for awhile.

The fed was established in 1913 and they (I will call them the elite of the time) thought that was it. the great movement to one world government could be achieved. Within a year WWI started with the objective of removing the European monarchical heirarchy. The Bolsheviks 3 years later would seize power form the Mensheviks and annihilate the Tsar and his entire family. In 1919 the League of Nations was established. The rise of various other forms of socialism in the twenties stemmed the tide on the rise of another form of socialism - communism. Totalitarian regimes are not compatible, it seems. Communism is an international socialist movement and fascism is of course a nationalist form of socialism. The Spanish revolution started in the thirties, Keynes released his "General Theory" and FDR made it illegal for Americans to own gold and Mao started Red revolution in China. Every decade followed with war and economic booms and busts since the creation of the fed.

We can conclude it has been a work in progress for a long time. Recently, the west has been under attack to once again erode its supremacy. But who is behind it all? There are all sorts of rabbit holes we can go down here but it seems there palyers always jockeying for position. Saudi Arabia has entered the fray with Wahabbist Islam their choice for political domination. China? Africa? The EU? All players, in my view. Soros is just a merchant of chaos doing someone's bidding. The MSM and Hollywood elite are willing participants, being morally superior in their eyes, but unaware of what they do. Especially, in light of the fact they have no clue what socialism is but some in the MSM may know what is going on.

The 2nd Amendment is a big thorn in the side of these elitists, by the way. Damn that piece of paper!

So that's my story.

Rothchilds funded the women's movement to tax both men and women and "educate" the children.
13 bloodlines run the world who said own the gold own the world?

@Gerri4321
300yr history, rothschild/payseur [bibliotecapleyades.net]

@nemo_gratis Not a fan of conspiracy theories. Stupidity explains just as much about the heirarchy as do conspiracies.

@FrankZeleniuk we all have a route to the truth it's a matter of who's truth you choice to believe i guess

@FrankZeleniuk it's not theory, and you didn't have time to research and refute my link- every one of those entries can be verified- only lazy weak arrogant people claim conspiracy without proof- you must be a liberal- i know u guys hate facts- i suggest prior research before saying dumb things-

@nemo_gratis

Sorry. I've gone down many rabbit holes in my time. The illuminati, the Protocols of the elders of Zion, Masonry, shape-shifters, Reptilians, the Knights Templar, etc.

I will say that the Rothschild family and certain other families involved in banking have contributed a lot in shaping our economies and hierarchical structure. I didn't go into that because the establishment of the Federal Reserve in the US was the starting point of the concerted effort to institute a one world government. Before that it was just a dream. The plan without the US on board was not possible. The US constitution and Bill of Rights is really a major obstacle to the elitists, as is populist nationalism. Power does shift though and there are new players as well as old.