“Anyone who puts their trust in a purely human order of things always falls prey to the juggernaut State”
(Georges Bernanos)

Went to spell check and glitch: weather this true or not is an individuals choice, but raising the question, If someone doesn't believe in a higher power, what is there to keep or persuade them to not harm others for they're personal gain. Not suggesting that it's a requirment just asking the question ???

Sorry, didn't mean to side track your point, yet wish to interject an observation,
Most conservatives seem to bow to a higher power, "God" and use that as the motivation towards being kind, fair, or other goodness that they espouse, knowing/thinking that they will have to answer for they're actions to a higher power, wether this is true or not is an indavidual choice

I am a non-believing conservative.

“Cognition, knowledge, no longer appears to me as an end in itself. It has turned into service . . . Cognition is autonomous, it refuses to have any answers foisted on it from the outside. Not every question seems to me to be worth asking . . . Now I only inquire when I find myself inquired of . . . I am anxious to answer the scholar qua person but not the representative of a certain discipline, that insatiable, ever inquisitive phantom which like a vampire drains one whom it possesses of their humanity. I hate that phantom as I do all phantoms. On the other hand, the questions asked by human beings have become increasingly important to me”

Franz Rosenzweig,

Hi Jacintal,
I am a Jewish person who is not observant band enjoys the company of a range of people, I have some close friends who are Christian and those who are not. I try to avoid labels like Left, Right, conservative, and try to consider things by first principles. People’s opinions are important if they are informed,
Regards
Kim,

@Jacintal ,
We are our own Divine being.

For the sake of clarification can you give your definition of atheism as it applies to you?

I used to be a practicing atheist but gave it up for Lent. In my youth I was both a believer in God and republicans, a moderate conservative was I. Now I no longer believe in either. I spent my youth trying to prove God existed, but he resisted my every effort. When one cannot prove a positive one does not need to prove a negative. Rather, the idea of god was simply ill defined, wrongly assumed, falsely believed. I am not a member of the Sam Harris Fan Boy church of negative proof, indeed, substituting reason, logic, and science as the new concept of God strikes me as being a bit of a hypocrite. And while not exactly a spiritualist I do belief that Karl Jung has made sufficient the need to accept (not necessarily believe) that we are all part of a combined human spirit world, a world that has been handed down to us as has been that of culture and our genes. Let those who want their believe systems organized for them believe as they may, I find no fault in religion per se.

Conservative values may have cross over with religious values, but the values can hold upon their self.

It's actually a very interesting subject in religion even the bible has perspective changes from collective to individual.
Individualism isn't hinged on religion, but interestingly enough with out a strong collective individuals still often need some sort of guidance path. That path takes many forms and religion being one of them.

This isn't implied to be anti religious is just the nature in which people act.

I believe in God, and I am a Patriot and believe in the Constitution forever! It is my belief that is guaranteed me by that document, that I hold sacred! If you love Freedom and your country, you are a welcome soldier, in the WAR against Marxist Democratic traitors! Treason is my issue not what you do or don't believe in,!

I'm not an atheist, yet see religion as nothing more than man trying to control man, with little to do with a "God" and more to do with egos. I am a spiritualist seeking enlightenment, knowing there is/are things far beyond our physical experience and understanding. The scientific world agrees, that we live in the third dimension and we understand the 2nd and 1st. we also know that there is a 4th & 5th, so are atheist's denying the existence of a being that may dwell on the 12th-100th dimension.
And most atheist's I've met usually deny that "God" exists, because "God" isn't doing it the way they think it should, back to that ego thing again "Do it my way" or you don't exist or you'll burn in hell ???
Rev. Tarkus

There is no way to deny the political, cultural, scientific and technological progress spurred by Judeo-Christian Culture. The role of Christianity can not be overlooked either. The reformation of Christianity, the Freedom of Religion as defined in the US Constitution and adopted by western nations created an environment that allowed amazing progress and destruction. Atheists, agnostics and such who follow real history and real logic belong in the conservative, right leaning, traditionalist camp as much as anyone. Indeed that is why I feel in time we will win this struggle. Our dogma is minimal, our policies work and our arguments are sound.

probably there is - do you know the parable of 3 blind men and an elephant? The moral of the parable is that humans have a tendency to claim absolute truth based on their limited, subjective experience as they ignore other people's limited, subjective experiences which may be equally true. I also take from this parable the idea that just because you've never seen an elephant before doesn't mean it didn't already exist.

Absolutely. It’s fairly prevalent. I myself am a Christian but there are a few atheist groups here. I belong to 2. I really appreciate your statement about “rabid atheists” being akin to a religion. Never could understand the hatred towards something they claim not to believe in.... it would be like me being angry at the Bigfoot..... why bother?

How do you define being an Atheist..?

Exactly like yours. Was like a Sam Harris athiest with no use for religion but then figured it helped shape our civilization and was integral in our culture, i.e. individual responsibilty and rights. And we could be alot worse.

Yes, I'm one.